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The Rockets have not beaten a team, with a winning record.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Raven, Nov 28, 2002.

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  1. Raven

    Raven Member

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    I just looked this up. The Rockets have beaten 7 teams, for a total of 8 victories, and none of those teams have a winning record.

    Remember, excuses don't win basketball games. The first thing they need to do, if find a player rotation, and stick with it. It's difficult for players to establish their game, when their minutes, from game to game are so random.

    Raven
     
  2. tommycatluvsme

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    Exactly. That's why the Rockets are not going to the playoffs. They haven't proven that they can beat the good teams.
     
  3. TheReasonSF3

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    You are ignorant. How many playoff teams have we played? We beat all of the teams that we should've beaten. We will make the playoffs.
     
  4. RocketForever

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    I think this tommycatluvsme keep trying to say outrageous things to get on our nerves.

    another post by tommycatluvsme today
     
  5. The Cat

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    Well, typically you need more than three games (the amount we've played against teams with a winning record), two of which were on the road, to fairly assess a team's performance in that category.

    We play some good teams over the next week, so if we lose a lot of them, then is the time to complain. It's too early now.
     
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    Good post........other than the fact that you dont have a clue about the Rockets, or where they are going.....I just have one thing to say, when the Rockets are in the PLayoffs, we dont wanna hear your crap about how you knew they would make it all along, we are taking names, and keeping a list, haters and doubters, you will be embarassed when the Rockets are in the playoff!
     
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    The first 40 games or so will be mainly used for the Rockets to get used to play offense/defense with the new big man. If they sort everything out and get a good consistent rotation, rockets may even get deeper in playoff games
     
  8. Raven

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    The Rockets have played 4 teams that are ranked in the top 8, and they lost all 4 times.

    The season is young, but one statistic stands out. When the Rockets play a good team, they always loose, and when they play a bad team, they usually win.

    Will the Rockets make the playoffs? I agree that it's too early to say, but if they don't start beating some winning teams, then who cares anyway.

    I'm hardly a Rockets basher, but I don't live inside SF colon either. It's perfectly reasonable to grade the team on a monthly basis, and while I'm giving them an "incomplete grade", because YM is still adjusting, I think it's fair to say that other players besides YM (and SF) are playing below what any of us expected.

    Raven
     
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    Well they might not now but when The Rockets played The Wizards, their record was 6-5. So they have beaten a team with a winning record.

    Just a side note - there is 82 games in this season, lets not jump ship so soon.

    Blatz
     
  10. tommycatluvsme

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    You guys can keep your heads in the sand, if you want to. But, the truth is that the Rockets cannot beat good teams.
     
  11. ivan_zhang

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    If only we win in every games vs "bad" teams, we will make
    playoffs.

    We just need win every game that we should win.
     
  12. Swopa

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    I was at the game last night, and my friend and I talked about the Rockets afterward -- and specifically this very subject. So I think it's a valid concern.

    I think it all has to do with Francis. He's an overwhelmingly gifted individual talent, and can simply take over against a vulnerable team. (And make no mistake -- Yao and Cato may have scored the points last night, but they scored because the Warriors' centers were double-teaming Francis off pick-and-rolls all game long.)

    But although he can make spectacular individual plays -- or even string together several, as he did in the second half last night -- he didn't strike me as dominating the game or orchestrating the team's play the way the truly top-level players do.

    Possible reasons for this include lack of ability to focus for 48 minutes (mixed in with his stunning plays were some embarrassingly amateurish turnovers), Rudy not having figured out how to mesh his players into a complete game plan yet, or not having the right supporting cast... or, perhaps, some combination of the three, among other reasons.

    Whatever the reason, having a dominant individual talent with a bunch of parts that only occasionally mesh with him is going to be enough to beat teams that are similarly out-of-sync but can't match Francis' individual abilities -- but will come up short when you match up against a real team. And iin the fourth year with the same coach and franchise player, it's reasonable to start wondering if this is just the way it's always going to be.
     
  13. codell

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    Losing against winning/playoff teams is sorta to be expected this year IMO. The way we can sneak into the playoffs is to take care of business againt poor/mediocre teams and try to scratch out a few more againt other playoff teams. The Rockets arent anywhere near ready to compete with teams like Dallas, LA (with Shaq), Sacramento and Seattle. Even to a lesser extent, Portland and Minnesota.

    Thats why building a championship team takes several years. Everyone laughs at times of all the trade talk around here, but it has subtance to it IMO. Even the better teams in history change key personnel year to year to stay on top, get better or get over the hump. This team will no doubt evolve and change over the next two or three years while we try to establish an indentity. Furthermore, the big pieces are Yao, Steve and to a lesser extent Griffin. Youll find that the rest of the players on our team, including Cuttino, will be expendable when it comes to change and chemistry.
     
  14. Free Agent

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    I have no idea why I even venture into some of these negative threads from uninformed people.

    Let the Rockets get a good sampling of games before making such broad brushed statements.

    Senseless.
     
  15. SaFe

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    That has nothing to do with anything, unless you are talking about the dunk assists he dishes out close to the basket. Cato grab big offensive rebounds and got many put-backs. Yao got his in the post, he nailed couple turnarounds and made a beautiful spin moves against his opponent (He got doubled too, one day our cutting guard will be ready to catch ;) ) . Neither had anything to do with francis and the pick-and-roll. Cato got most of his through his own effort, and Yao.. well.. he is just a smooth offensivly.

    YOu give francis too much credit especially when most of the time, he just keeps dribbling when center comes out anyway. This is one thing that Francis has to improve on, although I'll find a more suited thread to point that out. I'm pretty sure the All-Mighty-Francis didn't teach our centers how to rebound and post up. I just wanted you to give our centers a bit more credit, they scored becasue they scored.
     
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  16. Rockets Red Glare

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    I believe the Wizards had a winning record when we played them, look it up!
     
  17. RC Cola

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    I don't know if this is how you guys did this, but I checked both San Antonio's and Sacramento's wins/loss record against above 500 teams, and they aren't doing great. SA is 1-3 and Sacramento is 2-3. Granted, these are just with standings today, not previously. However, as pointed out, the Rockets beat the Wizards when they were above 500.

    BTW, at least we don't lose to the Nuggets, SA. :D
     
  18. JayZ750

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    Are you contesting the fact that of all the teams they've beaten, not one currently has a winning record?
     
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    they beat the blazers (who have a winning record)
     
  20. RC Cola

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    As of today, they are 7-7, which is .500. Not a winning or losing record. They may have beat them when they were winning though, I can't remember. Maybe.
     
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