Blowing up something that partner and Clutch have been playing with, I dragged this out to a separate thread. I am using realgm's #s to calculate the total. Click on team salaries and compare. Do you think that Webber would sign if Dike had a job in Houston? Even with Matt Maloney on the books until 2005, the Rockets can get up to 28 million under the cap (assuming a $45M cap). All they have to do is conduct two strategic trades: 1) Walt Williams for an expiring contract. 2) Kelvin Cato for an expiring contract. Then let Shandon opt out... and renounce Bullard. SAR who? WTF? That's it... $28 million. I was curious about aldridge when he said 'the rockets want to be players in the upcoming summer'. He meant 'playas'. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited January 18, 2001).]
Aldridge isn't exactly up on his street lingo. ------------------ "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." - Gandhi
Doesn't Don MaClean come off of the books after this season too? ------------------ - Beck Dream...bring back the goggles
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but according to my calculations, Webber can make a max of $13.5 million and Mutombo can make a max of $15.75 million from us next season. Combined, that is $29.25 million. Mutombo can be paid $16.22 next season by whoever has his Bird Rights. And in both cases, Bird Rights gives them bigger raises. If they both did sign with us, they would occupy 2/3 of our cap space. ------------------ RealGM Rockets Draft Obligations Summary Gafford Art Artisan
I though Malony came off the books this year because we bought him off over 2 yrs? Rocket River ------------------
R&R: He was bought off, true. However, even thought the Rockets & Maloney settled on a smaller $$$ amount, his contract still takes up space on the cap. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver.
I think that trading williams and cato for expiring contracts will be much easier said than done. ------------------
28million? We can sign Finley and Webber if we had that kind of money ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
There is no way we'd be able to trade Cato and Williams for soon to be expired contracts... Cato is too injury prone, but MIGHT be attractive to Pho or any team in need of shot blocking... Now Walt... You think ANY team is in need of a Walt Williams? Maybe the Lakers? They could use his 3 pt shooting, but thye are lacking in defense, not offense (#1 scoring team in the league)... Maybe the Bulls would be willing to get Cato if they're willing to get Reeves? Brad Miller would be an attractive acquisition since he has a non-guaranteed contract... ------------------ Check out my homepage! Loads of sports pics! http://www.public.asu.edu/~sykim/
The only way we could get that low is if Shandon opts out of his contract, we renounce him, then renounce Mo, and Bullard, and Mooch. I think that getting down to about 20 million under is possible. That assumes Dream is renounced, either now or later, and Walt is traded for a FA to be. ------------------ - Beck Dream...bring back the goggles
That also means that we would have to get rid of all of our draft picks for future picks and we would have to renounce Langhi. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited January 18, 2001).]
I'm pretty sure if the Rockets faxed out an annoucement as to Cato's availability for a $2.7M contract that expires this year, that at least 10 teams would contact them. I'm less excited about the idea of trading Walt (at least he seems happy to play), but he could also be traded w/ a 2nd rounder, or he could merely be traded to Dream's new home (as Clutch + heypartner alluded). If the picks are undesirable or don't fit into the Rockets cap spacing clearing plan, then there's no better time to pay off some of the outstanding debts (or pay outstanding debts and get futures). Re: Langhi, the team has a $400K option on him which wouldn't adversely affect too much at all. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited January 18, 2001).]
I'm pretty sure if the Rockets faxed out an annoucement as to Cato's availability for a $2.7M contract that expires this year, that at least 10 teams would contact them. Well, for that to be true,then that means that there are 10 teams out there with around $2.4M in cap space or trade exceptions and there's not. Cato is a BYC player, so the Rockets can only get $3M in return for him, but the team that receives Cato would have to be able to fit 85% of his $6M salary under their cap. That means that the other team has to be able to absorb the extra $2.4M in cap space or an exception and there's not that many teams that have that ability. The only likely way that Cato could be traded would be to include alot of players into the deal and get the total salaries so high that differnce in Cato's actual salary and his BYC amount is less than 15% of the salaries that we would receive. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited January 18, 2001).]
if the picks are undesirable or don't fit into the Rockets cap spacing clearing plan, then there's no better time to pay off some of the outstanding debts (or pay outstanding debts and get futures). Yes, that true, but this will be the deepest draft since '84, so picks are very valuable. As far as Langhi, can you find someplace where it states that we have an option on him? We were discussing this very thing in the chat room a few games ago. Everything that I can find has him listed as a free agent. ------------------ [This message has been edited by aelliott (edited January 18, 2001).]
aelliott, Sorry I hammed up the byc issue for Cato. I think it still would be workable, just not as likely w/ perhaps Chicago + LAC the only teams capable of acquiring Cato in our current examples (short of forcing the mega trade for your 15% issue). I just remember reading that in the Chronicle after Collier and Langhi signed their contracts. If you can do a historical search in the chronicle (I can't), it should be right around 10/01... or before training camp started. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited January 18, 2001).]
First off, I dont understand why people think getting a stud center is some kind of pre-requisite to landing Webber. With a player like Chris Webber at the PF position who can rebound, defend, score and block shots, a stud center is not needed. The Rockets may feel they would like to pick up a very solid big man like Antonio Davis if cap room is left over, but I doubt that getting someone like Mutombo will be a pre-requisite to sign Webber. Also, I dont have an article or any such info on the Langhi option, but I clearly remember that being there. The big story after the rookies were signed was how Langhi had a guaranteed first yr which is uncommon for a 2nd rounder, and the Rockets held an option on the 2nd. After having to sweat through the Othella Harrington mess, the practice of the Rockets has been to put options for 2nd yr's on their "finds". ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
M&M: It'd be one hell of a selling point you have to concede. Right now if you asked Webber if he'd rather stand w/ Divac or Cato, I'm under the impression that he'd go with Divac. Otherwise Webber has to take the abuse everytime the team plays the Lakers, Portland, SAS, etc. ------------------ We're going to stay together until something happens, if something happens. - Sidney Lowe on Shareef's career in Vancouver. [This message has been edited by Achebe (edited January 18, 2001).]
If we want a combo of Webber and Ant Davis, then we would need at least 20 mill under the cap... ------------------ Check out my homepage! Loads of sports pics! http://www.public.asu.edu/~sykim/
Achebe, Divac isn't exacly great, and he's getting older and worse. Plus he doesn't have the backcourt scoring weapons in Sacramento that he would here with Steve and Cat. I think our hopes for Webber rest on one thing: the Kings fate in the playoffs. I think we have as good or better chance than any team in the league other than Sacramento at Webber. People say the Kings are doing good this year, the fans love him, yada yada yada. The bottom line is: what they do in the playoffs will determine if he stays. He wants to win. Period. And if Sacramento flops on their face in the first round of the playoffs again, the odds stack against them in terms of whether Chris will resign there. It's thinking about scenarios like this exact one that make you realize why NOT to go after Reef AND Reeves. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
I think the main selling point for the Rockets to Webber will be the backcourt. Steve and Cuttino is very quickly going to become the best backcourt in the NBA hands down. As John Thompson was saying in the TBS telecast the other night, there is no team with two stoppers that can slow these guys down. You have two players sharing the same backcourt that can take any defender off the dribble. Thats what it will boil down to, does Chris want to play with the premier backcourt in the NBA or not? That was the stumbling block that cost the Rockets McDyess, but this time they have the weapons in place to lure a major frontcourt talent. If you have three unguardable players on the same team along with a proper supporting cast, that has championships written all over it. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
