The reason for the rift between Steve and Cat, and the trade that might happen

the trade with miami will hurt more than any other trade posted here before. if steve is to move to the 2, then why bring in a starting 2?

dre and steve would be one of the best offencive back-courts in the league....and one of the worst defencive aswell.

i just want crawford! i havent really looked into McInnis but i know that he did have a great season with th clipps 2 years ago.

 

Cue, whoever you got your info from...That person got their info from here, because those quotes are identical to the ones mentioned here, and those names are identical to the ones floating around in trade threads here...


My view on the Heat trade is this:

How does it fix our PG problem? How does it improve our team? Are we really better off by downgrading our backup PF situation and upgrading our SG situation?


I really don't think it will get us more than an extra 1 or 2 wins for next season. That's just not good enough. This team betetr be contending for 6th seed next season. I think a MUCH simpler trade, like Mobley for McInnis and a draft pick would improve our team a WHOLE lot more than the Heat trade. But that's just an example...

 

No I wouldn't do it.

Mobley is equal to Jones.

Jones is older.

And plus Maurice Taylor?

I don't think so...

Maybe they can add Caron Butler. Or maybe Brian Grant and Eddie House.

 

The only way I would consider that trade is if the Heat included their #5 draft pick so the Rockets could draft Ford. Otherwise no way. And starting Moochie is the worse idea I've ever heard.

 

This would be a terrible trade for the Rockets.If Francis is going to be a 2 then he needs a good backup and this wouldn't solve our problem at the 1 either. Giving up Taylor further reduces our scoring at the 4.

 

how much longer on Eddie's contract?

Rocket River

 

Now this is just laughable.

 

Correct Me if im wrong But I believe DOC said we were looking at waiving Moochie If possible.. So why in the world would we start him?

 

If we dont need to make a trade, then dont!


The only problem i see is Mobleys crazy offense and Moochies lack of intensity, other than that its really just time and improvements on every player.

 

New Jack YOu know what you are talking about! Right to the point!

 

I would do this trade. When Eddie Jones is healthy he is a great player, alot better than Mobley. Jones is getting old but he can still play and will not ask to be the center of the offensive like Mobley does. Another reason is because Jones contract is up in 4 years just like Yao's and will give us cap room to re-sign him. Maybe we can get the Heat to give us thier 1st round pick this year(Top 5).

 

Cat for Eddie Jones straight up, YES. Addition by subtraction. Ming gets the ball more.

Moochie at starting PG, No! Not unless he stops eating cheesburgers, improves his speed by clippin his fro, and turns in to a professional basketball player.

 

if this were the year 1995, id have jumped on it. but now? eddie jones is not that great anymore, hes older, and maurice still has a place on this team until eddie griffin shows what he can do (or cant do)

 

the only possible reason to do this deal is to get mo's contract off the books, no other reason. it doesn't solve the move steve to the 2 thing we're apparently trying to do and it barely upgrades the SG spot, if at all. plus eddie makes about 8 million more a year. it would be a talent downgrade and i'm not sure how much of a cap upgrade.

explain how mobley asks to be the center of the offense? is it by standing out at the 3 point line waiting for kickouts. using picks from ming to take simple 16 footers? reducing his shot attempts by 4 this last season? if anything, his offensive talents are being wasted here. ming isn't as good offensively as cuttino yet and everyone wants to run the offense through him and have cuttino shoot around 0 shots, pretty funny.

last season cuttino shot 14.6 times. now guess how many times eddie jones shot a game. yep, 14.6. exactly the same. and you can't say that's b/c miami's offense sucks so much, b/c umm we're not exactly an offensive machine at this point.

 

Tweaking is not what the Rockets need. We are not good enough to just tweak ourselves a bit. We need some magor changes. Here is a trade that helps out multible teams and only includes players that need to be included. Meaning there are no fillers and stuff like Doleac just to have stuff in the trade.

Golden State trades: PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 13.1 minutes)
SG Jason Richardson (15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.0 apg in 32.9 minutes)
PF Troy Murphy (11.7 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.8 minutes)
PG Gilbert Arenas (18.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 35.0 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
SF Lamar Odom (14.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.6 apg in 34.3 minutes)
PG Andre Miller (13.6 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.7 apg in 36.4 minutes)
SF Corey Maggette (16.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +4.3 ppg, -4.6 rpg, and +1.9 apg.

Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (8.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 20.6 minutes)
C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes)
SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 41.7 minutes)
PG Steve Francis (21.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 6.2 apg in 41.0 minutes)
PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 24.5 minutes)
Houston receives: PF Danny Fortson (3.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 17 games)
PG Gilbert Arenas (18.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.3 apg in 82 games)
PF Chris Wilcox (3.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 46 games)
C Wang Zhizhi (4.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 41 games)
SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 82 games)
Change in team outlook: -7.1 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

L.A. Clippers trades: PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 39.6 minutes)
SF Lamar Odom (14.6 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.6 apg in 34.3 minutes)
PG Andre Miller (13.6 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.7 apg in 36.4 minutes)
SF Corey Maggette (16.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.3 minutes)
PF Chris Wilcox (3.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.5 apg in 10.4 minutes)
C Wang Zhizhi (4.4 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.1 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: SG Jason Richardson (15.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 3.0 apg in 82 games)
PF Troy Murphy (11.7 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 1.3 apg in 79 games)
SG Cuttino Mobley (17.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 73 games)
PF Eddie Griffin (8.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.1 apg in 77 games)
PG Troy Hudson (14.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.7 apg in 79 games)
Change in team outlook: -4.0 ppg, -3.9 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

Minnesota trades: SF Kevin Garnett (23.0 ppg, 13.4 rpg, 6.0 apg in 40.5 minutes)
PG Troy Hudson (14.2 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 5.7 apg in 32.9 minutes)
Minnesota receives: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games)
PG Steve Francis (21.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 6.2 apg in 81 games)
PF Elton Brand (18.5 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 62 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.8 ppg, +7.7 rpg, and -2.7 apg.

Clippers get similar talent that put up similar numbers for players that are locked up with small contracts. Rockets get Garnett who will be phenomenal with Arenas. Wolves get a starting competitive team that put up more numbers in points and rebounds then the original team. SF and Brand will be great there. G.S. lose two pf for one pf and a swingman which they need.

Progected line up and point, assist, rebound distribution:

Rockets:
Arenas 16ppg 7apg 3rpg
Posey 14ppg 4apg 5rpg
Garnett 25ppg 5apg 11rpg
Fortson 6ppg 2apg 9rpg
Ming 18ppg 3apg 10rpg

This line up improves our rebounding a lot. Ming will get more shots and will help our lost of ppg there. Arenas is a better "pg" than Francis is. This is one crazy rebounding team that has many scoring options.

Timberwolves:
Francis 21ppg 6apg 5rpg
Wally 17ppg 4apg 4rpg
Smith 8ppg 2apg 6rpg
Brand 22ppg 3apg 10rpg
Cato 7ppg 1apg 8rpg

Francis and Brand more than compensate for Hudson and Garnett. Cato adds more rebounds. This team is a lot better than the original team.

Warriors:
Miller 15ppg 8apg 3rpg
Maggette 16ppg 3apg 4rpg
Odom 14ppg 5apg 6rpg
Jamison 20ppg 4apg 8rpg
Foyle 10ppg 1apg 7rpg

The best rebounding team in the league lost some rebounding presence. But rebounding is useless without players to put the ball in the basket. Enter Miller Maggette and Odom who can all score with ease. This is a more high scoring team then the original with Taylor to come off the bench for a spark in points.

Clippers:
Hudson 14ppg 7apg 3rpg
Mobley 18ppg 3apg 3rpg
Murphy 15ppg 2apg 10rpg
Richardson 17ppg 5apg 4rpg
Ely/Griffen 9ppg 2apg 8rpg

This team is young. This team is talented. This team is completely on either rookie contracts or small contracts. They unload 3 potentially max contracts. In return they get a Murphy Griffen combo to make up for Brand. They get Hudson to make up for Miller. Mobley and Richardson can easily make up for the lost of Odom.

 

Just the idea of starting Moochie is driving me to drink.

Crown & coke anyone?

 

It's obvious... We're going to try and tank this next season. The order probably came from Les. He's thinking that the inevitably poor record resulting from this strategy will do 2 things: 1. give him the support to move Rudy upstairs, and 2. give the Rockets a good chance to win next year's draft lottery.

clearly. It's the only possible explanation.

edit: by the way, NO, I wouldn't do it- the Miami trade idea is r****ded.

 

man, that trade really screws the clippers.

Of course, it would never even come close to happening, but it's an interesting proposal for the rockets. too bad there's absolutely no legit backup at any position under your scenario. No, Moochie doesn't count. And Wilcox barely counts as a legit backup PF, since he's basically unproven.

plus Andre Miller is a free agent. something tells me there's not much chance of him re-signing with the clips or agreeing to a S&T to golden shower state.

plus.. nevermind, there's too many other reasons it'd never happen.