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The Real Pat Tillman

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wnes, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. wnes

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    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051024/zirin

    "I don't believe it," seethed Ann Coulter.

    Her contempt was directed at a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle story reporting that former NFL star and Army Ranger war hero Pat Tillman, who was killed in Afghanistan last year, believed the US war on Iraq was "f***ing illegal" and counted Noam Chomsky among his favorite authors. It must have been quite a moment for Coulter, who upon Tillman's death described him in her inimitably creepy fashion as "an American original--virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be." She tried to discredit the story as San Francisco agitprop, but this approach ran into a slight problem: The article's source was Pat Tillman's mother, Mary.

    Mary and the Tillman family are relentlessly pushing for answers to the questions surrounding Pat's death in Afghanistan. They want to know why it took the Pentagon five weeks to tell them he died in a tragic case of friendly fire. They want to know why they were unwitting props at Pat's funeral, weeping while lies were told by eulogizing politicians. Mary is now hoping that a new Pentagon inquiry will bring closure. "There have been so many discrepancies so far that it's hard to know what to believe," she said to the Chronicle. "There are too many murky details."

    The very private Tillmans have revealed a picture of Pat profoundly at odds with the GI Joe image created by Pentagon spinmeisters and their media stenographers. As the Chronicle put it, family and friends are now unveiling "a side of Pat Tillman not widely known--a fiercely independent thinker who enlisted, fought and died in service to his country yet was critical of President Bush and opposed the war in Iraq, where he served a tour of duty. He was an avid reader whose interests ranged from history books...to works of leftist Noam Chomsky, a favorite author." Tillman had very unembedded feelings about the Iraq War. His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, "I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of [an Iraqi city] watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f***ing illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush." With these revelations, Pat Tillman the PR icon joins WMD and Al Qaeda connections on the heap of lies used to sell the Iraq War.

    Tillman's transition from one-dimensional caricature to critically thinking human being is a long time coming. The fact is that in death he was far more useful to the armchair warriors than he had ever been in life. When the Pro Bowler joined the Army Rangers, the Pentagon brass needed a loofah to wipe their drool: He was white, handsome and played in the NFL. For a chicken-hawk Administration led by a President who loves the affectations of machismo but runs from protesting military moms, this testosterone cocktail was impossible to resist. The problem was that Tillman wouldn't play their game. To the Pentagon's chagrin, he turned down numerous offers to be its recruitment poster child.

    But when Tillman fell in Afghanistan the wheels once again started to turn. Now the narrative was perfect: "War hero and football star dies fighting terror." The Abu Ghraib scandal was about to hit the press, so the President found it especially useful to praise Tillman as "an inspiration on and off the football field, as with all who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war on terror." His funeral was nationally televised. Bush even went back to the bloody well during the presidential campaign, addressing his team's fans on the Arizona Cardinals' stadium Jumbotron.

    We now know, of course, that this was all a brutal charade. Such callous manipulation is fueling the Tillman family's anger. As Mary Tillman said this past May, "They could have told us up front that they were suspicious that [his death] was a fratricide, but they didn't. They wanted to use him for their purposes.... They needed something that looked good, and it was appalling that they would use him like that." A growing number of military families, similarly angered, are criticizing the war in Iraq through organizations like Military Families Speak Out.

    As for Chomsky, whom Ann Coulter would undoubtedly label "treasonous," Mary Tillman says a private meeting was planned between him and Pat after Pat's return--a meeting that never took place, of course. Chomsky confirms this scenario. This was the real Pat Tillman: someone who, like the majority of this country, was doubting the rationale for war, distrusting his Commander in Chief and looking for answers. The real Pat Tillman, the one with three dimensions, must stick in the throat of the Bush-Coulter gang, a pit in the cherry atop their bloody sundae.
     
  2. MadMax

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    wonder how long it took the reporter to come up with this jewel. get it??? bloody sundae?? get it???

    the problem with our country is there are too many "gangs." the Bush-Coulter gang wears cool leather jackets, though. i personally like the Clinton-Carville gang...they speak with southern accents and can drink you under the table!
     
  3. Bullard4Life

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    Good read. Nice to see Coulter speechless for at least a moment. It means that there's a little less hate being spewed into the air.
     
  4. MR. MEOWGI

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    I did not know that. Thanks.
     
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    I really feel bad for Tillman's family, because he was used by the government as a 'propoganda' tool upon his death, when he should've just been left alone and when we should have left his family to privately grief for this fallen soldier. I guess the government sadly doesn't think the memory of our fallen heroes is something sacred, and would readily use it to further a political agenda.

    There is certainly a moral decline in our society...
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    It just begs the question:

    How does one "support the troops" in this case? Maybe one of the chickenhawks would like to explain to me what course of action in this case would best "support the troops". Is it supporting Tillman's family and their wishes? Or is it supporting the pentagon's lies as a "necessary evil" to keep americans supportive and therefore aiding* the war effort?

    *Note: I really don't follow the logic in this - but it seems to be a consistent argument made by the neocons.
     
  7. MadMax

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    it's kind of like the Dave Bliss approach to military deaths.
     
  8. Saint Louis

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    The real Pat Tillman is dead. Nothing will bring him back to his family. The family's wishes should supercede all other agendas.
     
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    you act as if it hasnt been going on for decades and if not centuries.

    either way...tillman was certainly a different sort of guy who wasn't a "model" of the american patriot for the conservative right, but he is an american hero and his actions for going to war for america are unquestionably commendable.
     
  10. Sishir Chang

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    I think Pat Tillman is a great example of why many of us feel we can support the troops while oppose the war. That out of a sense of duty and honor Pat Tillman still enlisted even though he didn't totally agree with the war shows that he was a man of deep character. While many of us might not like the uses Pat Tillman was put to as a soldier we can certainly respect him for his honor and sympathize with the loss of a unique and interesting American.
     
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  11. mc mark

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    hear hear!
     
  12. Bullard4Life

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    Dear god, please don't let this wind up becoming a made for TV movie. I think I may have to ship myself overseas if that happens...
     
  13. Sishir Chang

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    What Clutchfans D&D the Movie?

    I'm all for it as long as they cast an Asian guy and not some white guy with their eyes taped back as me.
     
  14. Bullard4Life

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    I'll allow that as long as I'm cast opposite Scarlett Johannsen.
     
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    .......
     
  16. halfbreed

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    Cute... :rolleyes:
     
  17. FranchiseBlade

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    IT is basso's logic that if you are against the Iraqi mess then you are supporting the terrorists not mine. I was merely applying his logic.
     
  18. Deckard

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    Dammit, over my dead body! And that's not lost in translation... she's mine!!!

    (you can have Bill... ;) )


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    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  19. Oski2005

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    Yeah, check out basso's reply in bigtexxx's recent thread.
     
  20. topfive

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    Hmmm... something tells me we won't be seeing much of TJ and Basso in this thread.
     

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