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The Real Civil Rights Crisis in Sports: College Football Head Coaches

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by weslinder, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. weslinder

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    (Disclaimer: I don't call much racism. In fact, I tend to be skeptical of racism claims at first.)

    I was listening to Sports Talk radio on my evening commute, and Tim Brando was discussing this, mostly because of MLK, Jr. Day. The shortage of black head coaches in college football is a real issue today. There are a total of 7 black D-1A head coaches. There is exactly one black head coach of a high profile program, Ty Willingham, and he is the only head coach of any major program who has ever been given the kind of freedom that most other big time coaches get. Great black long-time assistant coaches routinely get passed over and never even get interviewed. On the other hand, Major Applewhite has already been considered for head coaching positions.

    I don't believe you can accuse any individual institution of racism. I doubt that athletic directors and presidents are actively avoiding black head coaching prospects. But systems can be discriminatory, and College Football has a discriminatory system for hiring and promoting coaches.

    It is a problem that College Basketball avoided and it eventually worked its way out. It's a problem that the NFL confront head on with their "interview one black candidate" policy, and has made strides.

    Here's the debate: What should be done?
     
  2. Dairy Ashford

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    I imagine a large percentage of coaches start out as graduate assistants. So magic trick #1 is to increase the number of black athletes who graduate. Magic trick #2 would be to incentivize GA positions for black college grads who might want a higher salary and/or less risk upfront (given economic background, and/or the stigma of a low-paying, non-white collar job). Incidentally, there are less head coaching positions (117) available than there are annual draft positions (7 x 32 = 224 annually); and both entail massive financial investments (six- or seven-figure salaries, a million-plus dollars in athletic scholarships), so should either one really be subject to affirmative action, especially since it's pretty much on its legal deathbed?

    Perhaps the best thing that can be done is already in effect; ie sports pages lamenting it, and letting the presumably image-conscious people in power factor it into their decision.
     
  3. Major

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    That's an interesting point about the assistant coaches. I wonder if the number of black assistant head coaches has increased over the last 5-10 years. If so, you'd think that's a sign that things are improving. If not, that's a different story. Unfortunately, it's a time-intensive process. Except for a few rare exceptions, most head-coaches probably spend 10 or more years as assistants. So if there weren't a lot of high-level black assistant coaches 10 years, there wouldn't be nearly as many quality head coach candidates out there right now. However, if the assistant ranks have started filling with black candidates, that's a good sign for the future. I wonder how many Def and Off Coordinators right now are black.
     
  4. A_3PO

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    Calling this a civil rights crisis is a major stretch, but there is obviously something wrong. 7 coaches out of 117 is amazing, especially when you look at the NFL. IMO, the NFL's "interview one black candidate" policy hasn't had much to do with coaches getting jobs. It just seems to me the NFL has a more merit based reward system than college football and the management culture is a lot different than college football.

    I don't know exactly what can be done about it other than to vividly keep pointing it out.

    BTW, you forget about Karl Dorrell at UCLA, which can certainly be considered a high profile program.
     
  5. weslinder

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    Since these people in power are the same ones who keep giving us the BCS, I don't know how image-conscious they are. Now if some big-money sponsors started talking, this might change.

    True, civil rights are being denied to no one. The discrimination is definitely there, and I used the terminology for effect.

    Good call, thanks.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I don't know about that considering
    for years the knock on Black Coaches was a lack of experience
    then
    Last year you had a bunch of black asst Coaches with experience
    then they switched to going with NEW and Different
    guys who had only been Def/Off Coords for *1* season got Head Coaching
    Jobs over Black Coaches that have been there for years were over looked
    now because they were part of the 'old system'
    it was might convient.
    out of 9 jobs available . .. 1 went to a black candidate
    that was promptly fired after one year were the org gave him no help
    and I do beleive he was the last one hired
    [almost like they gave him the job just to quell the attention it was getting
    but .
    I guess I'm a conspiracy theorist]

    when in doubt change the rules/trends/etc

    Rocket River
     
  7. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The skills needed to coach are totally different than the skills needed to be a player. Running a 4.4 forty and squatting 600lbs really won't help as a coach. To craft a policy that equates the % of blacks coaching to the % of blacks playing is highly flawed. We've had this argument before many times.
     
  8. CometsWin

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    Blacks in general lack the necessary skills to be football coaches? That's awesome.
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Not at all. The point is that a much greater % of the population *has* the skills needed to be a coach, as compared to needed to be a player. A lot of people can create an offensive scheme. Very few people can jump 40 inches in the air and run 40 yards in less than 4.4 seconds.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    The percentage of blacks coaching doesn't even equate to the percentage of blacks in the country. Even if it did, coaches don't come from the overall popluation pool but rather a smaller pool of ex-players at some level of football which blacks would appear in at a much higher percentage than they appear in the population. Your logic is the one that is flawed.
     
  11. A_3PO

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    So blacks have the "skills" to coach in the NFL but not so much in college. Oh, I get it now. I didn't realize the skillsets were so much different. Why don't you explain exactly how they are different?

    Besides, nobody is insisting on equating percentages of coaches vs. players. That has nothing to do with this discussion so why bring it up? I couldn't care less about a prior argument on another topic. The percentages aren't equal in the NFL and nobody is complaining about the NFL.

    Let's stay on topic. There is a large culture difference in college football vs. the NFL and only blind mice and drunk skunks can't see it.
     
  12. weslinder

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    Don't get dragged into the T_J trap. Even so, the skillsets are a lot different. Namely, college coaches must recruit. NFL coaches coach the players that are picked for them. But one would think that a black head coach, especially one from same region as the university and/or from a poor background would have advantages in recruiting, as prospects might have an easier time identifying with them.
     
  13. Major

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    Another skill that may have an unfortunate impact on the opportunity for a black coach to get hired is a college coach's ability to shmooze with rich white guys (donors). That inability to "fit in" is partly what led to Mackovic's dismissal.
     
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    Not to nitpick, but UCLA's head coach Karl Dorrell is black and while they not supergood, they still in the PAC-10 and did beat USC this year.
     
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    Oops, sorry I just noticed that was pointed out, thanks.
     
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    One more comment, Dorrell's the longest tenured black coach in D1 cause Willingham got canned (more like screwed by ND) before his gig in Washington.
     
  17. A_3PO

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    OK. I made the mistake of trying to bring this up in a roundabout way. This is what I meant earlier by saying "the NFL has a more merit based reward system than college football and the management culture is a lot different than college football."

    Shmoozing donors and rich, vocal, controlling alumni has everything to do with the topic. The skillset of coaching college football (recruiting included) doesn't have anything to do with it. Many of the best recruiters in the country are black assistant coaches working for white head coaches.

    I don't believe in blaming race or culture for many things at all, but I dare someone to logically explain what's going on here and exclude discriminatory culture as a component.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Sylvester Croom has been at Miss. State for a few years too (though he could be fired any day)
     
  19. weslinder

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    I thought about mentioning him, but Mississippi State of recent vintage is not a big time football program, even if it is in the SEC.
     
  20. hotballa

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    its the same old story, no experience, no job, but cant get experience if noone will hire you in the first place. Only way I can see racism in here is that maybe there is a large amount of colleges in predominantly white areas. Not sure how strong that hypothesis is though.
     

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