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The power of prayer

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  1. basso

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  2. rimrocker

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    How about a summary for those of us at work?
     
  3. basso

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    utter devastation.
     
  4. rimrocker

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    Never mind.

    You just removed all curiosity. I shan't look this up when I get home.
     
  5. DonnyMost

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    Rambling and disjointed video about God and how Charlie Gibson is a big poopie head for making Sarah Palin stand behind her statements.
     
  6. gifford1967

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    Heh.


    16 September 2008

    Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
    Times Online

    The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

    At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.

    In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”

    “And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”

    She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.

    An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.

    Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.

    The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.

    “We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.

    After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.

    The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.

    According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.

    Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.

    Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.

    According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.


    After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

    Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.

    It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.

    Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’


    http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/09/palin-linked-el.html
     
  7. Mulder

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    Not the same.

    Sarah Flailin' said pray for our military men and women, and that our leaders are sending on them out on a task that is from God and pray for protection of the troops.

    Bill Clinton said simply pray for the protection of our troops.

    Kennedy: Rights of man come from the hand of God. Ask for his blessings and his help and that God's work must be our work, NOT the other way around.

    FDR - prayer for strength and blessings, that we will be doing God's will not saying that our task is God's will. THY 9God's) will be done. BTW (you are NOT seriously comparing WW2 to our illegal invasion of Iraq are you?)

    Abe Lincoln - The ALMIGHTY has his own purposes...

    Gibson nailed her, she is backpedaling big time and I can't believe this video is trying to compare this dimwit to these great leaders of the past.

    oh and one last thing...

    POST SOMETHING ABOUT REAL ISSUES INSTEAD OF RECYCLED RIGHT WING CHAIN MAIL CRAP!!!!

    pffft. :rolleyes:
     
  8. basso

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    you know, i'm profoundly agnostic, but i do believe in evil, and i also believe in idiots- the least you could do is quote her entire line, so the context is clear, or at least include elipses so we can tell where you have edited for your own perverse effect.

    here, i've transcribed it for you, and bolded it for Deckard:

    Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from god, that’s what we have to make sure we are praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is god’s plan. so bless them with your prayers, your prayers for protection over our soldiers.
     
  9. Mulder

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    I see a big difference in what she said and what the others are saying:

    Thy will be done. Appropriate.

    Show me your plan oh Lord so that we may follow it. Appropriate.

    Let our plan become your plan, oh Lord. Nutty.


    It may sound close but it is the difference between...

    We're on a mission from God:

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    and

    We're on a mission from God:

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  10. basso

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    you're misinterpreting it, as she herself explains later in the video.
     
  11. Mulder

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    How can I misrepresent MY interpretation of her words? It is not possible.

    When she says Mission from God, I think of the last politician that it in the SAME exact context for the same EXACT war.

    "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
     
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    Man on a mission

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  13. basso

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    but that's not what she said. she said we have to pray that there is a plan, and that plan is god's plan. and she goes on to say that it's an historical parallel to what lincoln's statement, that we cannot ask for god to be on our side, we can only pray that we are on god's side.

    i don't know why you persist in seeing it differently, when the plain eglish reading is clear, and she goes ahead and details for charlie, and you.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    COME ONE COME ALL ​

    see basso the amazing atheist, pretendellectual, parttime homophile and ostensible social moderate who likes race baiting....

    contort his head up his arse to get himself all synchronized with the ​

    inexperienced, uneducated secessionist religious wingnut from the great cold northwest!​
     
  15. Mulder

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    pffft.

    Argument over. We are done now. Lock it up.
     
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    She's a witch....burn her, burn her......

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    DD
     
  18. KingCheetah

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    Ha, Palin ~ :D
     
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    Maybe the blackberry that McCain is partially responsible for is malfunctioning and he didn't get her full message.
     
  20. bigtexxx

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    Charlie Gibson's name is mud after his attempt to smear Palin.

    FAIL
     

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