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The Plight of the Moderate

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  1. waran007

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    This guy's the congressman for the district next to mine and has pretty much been blasted by the liberal base (Nancy Pelosi) as well as the Republican base in congress (like Tom Delay). He can be fairly "flip-floppy" across party lines in his voting record. And as we all learned, being a flip-flopper is one of the worst things you can be, right next to kicking kittens and burning puppies.




    http://www.ctnow.com/news/local/hc-shays1122.artnov22top,1,4867140.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking

    Insider On The Outside
    November 22, 2004
    By DAVID LIGHTMAN, Washington Bureau Chief

    WASHINGTON -- Chris Shays these days seems like a congressman without a political anchor, a politician without a party.

    He survived a close, ugly race to hold his 4th District seat in Connecticut, and returned to Washington to find his carefully arranged political world upended. Now, as he heads toward his 18th year in Congress, Shays has to carve a new path for himself to accommodate the new political landscape around him - and perhaps to survive a 2006 campaign that may have already begun.

    Democrats he counted as friends turned on him during the campaign and are still snarling. He's no favorite of many Republicans either, a view he fed last week by publicly bucking powerful House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who holds life-or-death power over legislation and choice jobs.

    Being an independent-minded moderate means a lonelier-than-ever life in Washington where collegiality matters.

    "Chris Shays fits in the other Republican Party - a Republican Party that doesn't quite exist anymore," said political analyst Stuart Rothenberg.

    Shays is not quite a lost soul, mind you, just a somewhat puzzled one.

    "Elections don't suddenly take you 180 degrees the other way, but they can move you right or left," he said solemnly. The problem is, he's not sure yet where he's moving.

    "I'm still sorting that out," Shays said as he sipped his Slim-Fast from a can during an interview in his Capitol office. "I'm not in a position to talk about what I've concluded from this election."

    In some ways that comment is surprising because Shays is usually quick with an opinion, no matter whom it might rankle. But his circumspection is also characteristic, because this is a man who plots and explains his moves carefully.

    He's done it his way forever, eschewing the go-along-to-get-along niceties and chest-thumping press conferences from the day he arrived in September 1987. As he prepared to get sworn in that day, he sat on his office couch gently, methodically telling reporters at length how devoted he was to balancing budgets. Shortly afterward, he took the outrageous step of complaining about committee assignments.

    But there's also been a civility to Shays. He has stayed away from taking shots at Democrats, and for that matter menacing Republican skeptics, believing there is still honor in politics.

    That candor and consistency - or what some see as bluntness, naivete and stubbornness - keep getting him in trouble, but also have defined him as principled. Shays' refusal to give up on campaign finance reform led to eventual passage of the landmark bill, though in the process he created a chasm with fierce foe DeLay and others that still has not healed.

    Challenging GOP Leader

    In fact, last week Shays seemed to be digging his version of a political Grand Canyon when he spoke out against a behind-closed-doors vote to allow DeLay, or anyone indicted by a state grand jury, to keep a leadership post.

    Shays quoted the Bible to members - "they always like to quote Scripture," he explained - and then walked out to tell reporters how awful the vote was. A day later, he was still fuming.

    "When I got home," he said, "my wife said, `This is the first action you guys took [since the election]?'"

    "He pushes the envelope," Shays said of DeLay. "The things he does sometimes on money are not illegal, but close to being unethical."

    Asked for details, Shays said, "The general stuff he does."

    DeLay's staff did not respond to requests for comment, but have privately intimated such talk is akin to treason in an institution where the leaders can bury dissidents on boring committees and deny their districts money. Shays has already paid the price, literally, when the GOP in 1998 took $10 million from a $25 million pot of transportation money headed for his district after he branded the bill "a blatant attempt to buy votes."

    When he spoke up further to oppose the action, they took away another $5 million.

    Two years ago, he should have chaired the House Government Reform Committee but was denied the chance. He remains head of a key national security subcommittee and vice chairman of the budget committee - but he may lose that in the new session because he's reluctant to agree to the party line.

    Shays has made it clear he will not be part of writing a 2006 document that does not take tough steps toward reducing the deficit, notably by curbing the cost of such programs as Medicare and Medicaid.

    One of the areas where he does want more emphasis is stem cell research, decidedly not a priority of the Republican right wing, so chances are neither DeLay loyalists nor the White House will buy it.

    But here's his new dilemma: In the past, Shays could count on other moderates and like-minded Democrats to side with him and boost his effectiveness.

    Shays thinks that will happen, but the odds against it are lengthening. Moderates are a shrinking breed in the GOP, and because the party has its biggest House majority since 1947, they have less influence. Shays disputes that assertion, listing fellow Republicans ready to march with him on a variety of issues.

    More independent analysts disagreed.

    "Republicans don't count on the moderates. If they went away, the party probably wouldn't mind that much," said Stan Collender, managing director at Financial Dynamics, a Washington consulting firm.

    At the same time, Democrats have made Shays a prime 2006 target.

    "Chris is vulnerable," said Rep. Robert T. Matsui, D-Calif., Democratic Congressional Campaign chairman. "People are going to watch his voting record."

    If it seems to be falling too much in line with the president, who lost Connecticut by more than 10 percentage points, Democrats will pounce. And if it drifts too far from the GOP, Shays will be painted as a toothless outcast.

    Chill From Democrats

    Shays is clearly hurt by the sudden chill from the Democratic side. While he never had much in common with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, their relations were cordial. At least that was true until she campaigned for his opponent in the election and last week when she told the national press corps he was a meek grandstander.

    "She said I was brain dead," Shays said, clearly sad about her attitude. Pelosi called Shays "a rubber-stamp-for-the-radical-right-wing, check-your-brain-at-the-door congressperson" and "an enabler for DeLay."

    She laughed Friday when asked if such remarks had ruined her relationship with Shays and other centrists.

    "Working with Chris Shays," Pelosi said, "is not something I spend a lot of time thinking about." She called his claims of moderation a "masquerade," using the DeLay rules voice vote instead of a roll call to prove her point.

    "He grandstands outside by saying he doesn't approve of the rules change," Pelosi said. "He could have with one word called for a [roll call] vote ... but instead he chose to meekly voice his position instead of standing up to the task and asking for a vote."

    Shays actually spoke twice - only three others spoke at all - and said Friday he wished he had sought a secret ballot vote, particularly after DeLay boasted how overwhelming his support had been.

    "I thought I had done my job at the time. Things happen quickly," Shays explained. "We might have gotten 50 votes. We might have gotten 80 votes."

    This may be the era of the slashing politician, but it is not Shays' style. He's upset, but as always, he has a carefully planned path.

    There will be no run for governor or the Senate in 2006.

    "I agree with Joe [Lieberman] on too many issues," he said, and he's not about to challenge Gov. M. Jodi Rell.

    Any thoughts of switching to the Democratic Party are now out: "I wouldn't want to be part of the party of Nancy Pelosi," he said.

    He plans to run for Congress again in 2006. He will keep up his support and scrutiny of the Bush administration's Iraq plan, perhaps making another visit there soon on top of the six he has already made. He will try to find like-minded Republicans on trade and economic issues, which is not as difficult as building coalitions elsewhere.

    There will be no new Chris Shays, though there may be a slightly different Chris Shays.

    Of course, a too-different Shays could be a political liability. Then again, so could the old Shays.

    As Rothenberg put it, "He's in an increasingly difficult position."
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It is disgraceful that the GOP would shun it's moderates. The hubris is amazing.

    EDIT: To be fair, the Dems aren't much better in this case because they have signed away any chance to lure him into the fold.

    This political landscape of far left vs. far right with no voice from the middle is extremely dismaying.
     
  3. glynch

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    EDIT: To be fair, the Dems aren't much better in this case because they have signed away any chance to lure him into the fold.

    How did the Demos do this? By not refusing to runa a candidate in a swing district where apparently they have a chance? Under what theory is it horrible for the Demos to try to win his district.?

    He seems like a nice enough guy. 99% of the blame should be put on the GOP for telling their non right wingers to bug off.
     
  4. Sishir Chang

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    IMO this was a real stupid move on the part of Pelosi, but sadly not unexpected.

    While he lives in a swing district that probably should go Dem. there is a lot of political value to having a Republican align himself with the Dems like it was having Zell Miller speak at the Repub. convention.

    This was a golden chance for Pelosi and the Dem. Congressional leadership to make the Congressional Repubs look bad that's been missed.
     
  5. Deckard

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    This political landscape of far left vs. far right with no voice from the middle is extremely dismaying.


    No kidding.




    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
  6. glynch

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    This political landscape of far left vs. far right with no voice from the middle is extremely dismaying.

    There are many moderates-- at least in the Democratic Party.

    Andy, ( and Deckard I know you know better) don't fall for the propaganda that all Democrats are far out wacky leftists or extremely liberal. That is Rush Limbaug territory.
     
  7. MadMax

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    yeah, andy...remember that all democrats are even-minded individuals who carefully think through the issues without being jingoistic or just making snap decisions because "their guy" supports it. they never do that.

    republicans, on the other hand, do that on every issue. and they're all whacked out. every last one of them!!!
     
  8. Deckard

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    Andy is some sort of "Demopublican" who has hacked out his own territory. ;)

    I'm a Democrat who wants to WIN! I think we need to find some moderate Democrats who can play well in the South and the Midwest, because some of those "red" states are not that solid for the GOP, in my opinion. I'm comfortable having a nominee in 2008 who's to the right of me, if it gets the GOP out of the White House. Who that might be is another question altogether. I don't know.




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  9. thumbs

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    With luck, both Tom DeLay and Nancy Pelosi will be convicted for respective wrongdoing and removed from Congress. This would, in turn, give their parties more of a chance to steer back toward the middle.

    The hate and rage we are seeing in all phases of American life -- whether one is examining politics, sports, driving, etc. -- are rooted in extreme positions and lack of civility.
     
  10. SamFisher

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    How would Pelosi be convicted of anything when she has been accused of no crime, nor is there even a crime to be discussed?

    Anyway, if anybody wants to believe that the Democratic party, the party with a recent history of being in favor of balanced budgets, welfare reform, tax cuts for the middle class, etc, has moved leftward over the past 20 years, they are sorely mistaken. Only the repeated attempts of the right to railroad through an ever more extremist agenda (Example: Reagan wouldn't have alienated our allies needlessly, and he had the balls to raise taxes in order to account for his reckless spending when it was necessary) could make them seem so in relative terms.
     
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    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/11/20/MNGK49UM931.DTL

    Story is about their exchange of wrongdoing charges.

    "DeLay also claimed the Ethics Committee hadn't disciplined him in its letter of admonition and charged that Pelosi had broken political fund-raising laws in a case that had received public little scrutiny.

    "She has violated the law," he said. "It's in the facts.''

    DeLay was referring to a Federal Election Commission decision in 2003 in which one of Pelosi's fund-raising committees was fined $21,000 for making illegal political contributions during the 2002 congressional elections. The FEC ruled that two Pelosi political action committees created to help Democrats in the 2002 elections were related instead of being independent and therefore violated a rule against giving more than the maximum $5,000 annual contribution.

    Pelosi's aides said elections commission officials had given the verbal OK for bigger contributions but later changed their minds."
     
  12. SamFisher

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    Let me be more clear:

     
  13. glynch

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    I'm comfortable having a nominee in 2008 who's to the right of me, if it gets the GOP out of the White House. Who that might be is another question altogether. I don't know.

    I agreee. Of course that is what we did wiith John Kerry.

    Frankly it is more important that: the Demo is handsome and seems like a regular guy to have a beer with; that he can withstand the well funded character attack routine that he is a flip flopper or invented the internet etc. You know important issues that show one's "moral values" and give a clear picture of how to advance America's future..

    If the GOP can continue to dominate the stage and maintain a "positve issue environment" as Rove calls it I think we can look forward to the next two elections at least being decided on primarily on who wants to scare the electorate most and then promise to kill the most AArabs and secondarily on who hates gay marriage the most.

    Max, I assume you resolved your dilemna by voting for Bush.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    I wouldn't have refrained from running a candidate against him, but laying off of the "goose-step Republican" rhetoric when his voting record is one of moderation. I wasn't even talking about the election, I was talking about playing nice with the other politicians, particularly ones that are moderates and might give you some play when it is important.

    One of the major problems with the two party system IMO is that it breeds such venomous rhetoric and such viscious attacks that it becomes nearly impossible to even deal with the people you end up hating so much. IMO, three or four major parties are needed to ensure that cooperation is the name of the game in Washington DC rather than the us versus them, black versus white, left versus right mentality that rules right now.

    I would give a higher percentage than 1% to the Dems, but even that 1% means that everyone is at fault in this situation, not just the situation with this particular congressman, the situation with this country. The fighting and backstabbing has gotten to the point that what is good for the country is lost in the sea of slogans, the flood of campaign contributions, and the endless sewer of crap spewed forth from the bowels of Washington DC every single day.

    A strong third party could be just what this country needs to cure it.
     
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    And neither are all Republicans rightist neocons. That is the territory of Molly Ivans.
     
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    Don't worry; be happy! Obama was on "The View" yesterday....
     

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