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The players don't "get it"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by carayip, Feb 15, 2003.

  1. carayip

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=230214010

    Rockets coach Rudy Tomjanovich was so upset, he called a team meeting immediately after the game.

    ``We had a little meeting,'' Tomjanovich said. ``We talked about a lot of things but not one player personally took it on themselves. Everyone was talking about other players.

    ``The only way it's going to get changed is if each guy takes it upon himself. It's some kind of syndrome and I think most of it is mental. Thinking about somebody else's problems is not going to get it done.''
     
  2. James23

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    another "don't get it" post. well, the whole team from management to coach to players don't get it. the management don't get it because they haven't brought anybody in to improve the team. the coach doesn't get it because he hasn't made changes necessary for the team to win or put the players in a good position to win. the players don't get it because they haven't played consistently to win. francis passes the ball, especially to yao. the rox is not a one-man team. mobley stops shooting when you start missing. posey, don't even think about shooting the ball. griffin, start playing some defense and forget about the 3s. yao, please box out your man and grab some rebounds. eleven rebounds a game or less is unexceptable when you are not playing against shaq. moT, learn to hand out the tower and water cuz you should never play for the rockets again.
     
  3. robbie380

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    sounds like something a young immature team would face. a coach can't do everything all the time. criticizing yourself takes maturity and it sounds like the actual players are lacking here, not the coach.
     
  4. Dallas Rocket

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    This is RUDY'S RESPONSIBILITY:mad: :mad:

    We've played over 50 games and it's obvious the inmates are running the asylum. Preparing the motivating the team, game in and game out, is what coaches do:rolleyes:

    Pat Riley outcoached Rudy so bad, it could be used as a demo coaching clinic:

    ** they played hard, we did not

    ** they were prepared, we were not

    ** their defensive game plan rendered Yao a passer, Steve a shooter only, and trapped all over the floor with in-your-face defense. And the Rox had no clue how to counter. They simply took away our player's offensive strengths.

    ** they got wide open looks all nite, our shots were contested

    ** our offense continued to be chaotic and the Heat "controlled" our offensive flow. RT just sits and scratches his head.

    ** RT's substitutions continue to bewilder me- you're getting killed at home and still his best players are on the bench

    EITHER RUDY CAN'T GET THROUGH TO THIS GROUP OR HE DOESN'T HAVE A CLUE.................OR, WORSE, BOTH:confused: :mad:

    Rudy is not for this team and looks burnst to a crisp. Without strong on-court leadership, the team needs an even stronger coach. THIS WAS ANOTHER BLATANT COACHING MISMATCH -IN OUR HOUSE, & WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER.

    The obvious is obvious: Rudy needs to go.

    D R
     
  5. carayip

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    It's not Rudy's fault. It's the players' fault. Pro players (especially the veteran ones) should have the responsibility and movitation to get up to play every game themselves.

    Actually the comment by Rudy is pretty scary. He basically said that no player took the responsibility of this loss and instead blamed their teammates. Well I didn't expect our young guys (EG and Yao) and role players (Taylor, Posey etc) to take responsibility. But in his Rudy quote, he basically meant that even our designated veteran leaders (Francis and Mobley) didn't take the responsibility either. Our leaders don't take the responsibility. Isn't this very sad? When we win, it's credit to our leaders. When we lose, they blame the others? And when our leaders are not responsible players, how can we expect all our guys follow them and be responsible players?
     
  6. rrj_gamz

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    Forget the little meeting...

    Get your azz out there and coach...Rudy T is responsible for these guys and it's his job to get them prepared...

    It's technically not his fault for that at times, they don't run his play they way they were taut or that CAT shoots up a brick or can't play D like he used too...

    Also, this team is giving up easy FT baskets with all their misses...
     
  7. DreamWeaver

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    You read Rudy's mind. Losers always think "someone else is at fault". Winners remove this "someone else who is not on the same page" and take control of the situation.

    I'll bet that Pat Riley will never blame the players for team's failure to achieve and he will never go to the media complaining about his own players. I just lost what little respect I have left for Rudy.
     
  8. Dallas Rocket

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    Caryip,

    On paper, you're right. These are professionals getting paid a gazillion $$ to do what most people would love to do for free!! They simply do not respect the integrity of the game.

    However, it's not happening.

    WHEN THE STUDENTS ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH TO SELF GOVERN & DISCIPLINE THEMSELVES, SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA GET A NEW PRINCIPLE :(

    D R
     
  9. Major

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    Actually the comment by Rudy is pretty scary. He basically said that no player took the responsibility of this loss and instead blamed their teammates.

    Oddly enough, that quote also is Rudy not taking responsibility and blaming it on his players. :)
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    Check out these quotes:

    STEVE FRANCIS- "They beat us, it was an old fashion butt kicking but at the same time we beat ourselves by not playing hard from the beginning.''

    CARON BUTLER- "Tonight my teammates did an excellent job of getting me the ball in a position to do something with it. I was just making shots. We did an excellent job of executing our offense.''


    AGAIN, just like after the Utah game, the opposing team talks about executing the game plan and the Rockets act like they are the better team that just beat themselves. You are right, they just don't get it! They need to realize they are not playing well before they can change!
     
  11. DavidS

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    Wow! This is a perfect example of the "me me" think. Everyone is NOT on the same page, and in order to be on the same page, you have to have a philosophy of the team concept. The Rockets don't. Also, there has to be a floor leader that corrects and directs.

    This takes the team concept to another level. This will kill the ISO. And that's why the ISO is cancer to the "team concept."
     
  12. Apollo Creed

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    I'm really mad at OP for starting this whole "get it" fad that's swept the board. It's really driving me nuts how one game they're suddnely "getting it!" and the next they don't "get it.

    But I agree that it's scary that the players aren't placing the blame on themselves. Personally, I blame the loss on free throw shooting, and just about everyone contributed to that. And you can't blame a gimmie on someone else.
     
  13. kidrock8

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    It's 99% the players' fault.

    Rudy shouldn't have to outcoach Riley to beat the Heat at home. He simply needs 12 guys who are willing to play basketball for millions of dollars.

    Unfortunately, the Rockets lack that.

    They like to collect their checks, but don't really like to show up for games.

    :mad:
     
  14. DCkid

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    I'm sorry, but you're an idiot. Are you trying to imply that Rudy has more of an ego than Pat Riley? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! This proves how little you know about Rudy. He's one of the most (if not <b>THE</b> most) self-deprecating professional athletes I've ever seen. Try reading a book like <b>The Punch</b> and maybe you'll understand this a little better.

    By the way, a couple of weeks ago, Riley said his players shoud each have their salaries reduced because of the way they're playing, so you couldn't possibly be more wrong about Riley. Get a clue.

    You complain about Rudy for not being tough on the players, and then when he does get tough on the players, all you say is he should be tougher on himself. Your nothing more than a frustrated fan, and I hope Rudy leads the Rockets back to glory just so you have to go through the pain of actually having to root for him again.
     
  15. timm

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    I dont think the question is players dont 'get' it. Some simply dont 'have' it. Mobley, Moochie in that category.

    Don't get it category only has Steve and maybe Yao - for not being more assertive in the paint.
     
  16. rezdawg

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    This quote kills me. Uh...why in the world would you not play hard from the beginning??? Yet, again, overconfidence. When are they going to learn?
     

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