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The Passion of the Christ

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  1. LegendZ3

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    Have anyone watched it yet? I'm planning to see it this weekend, like to hear some input from ya'll.

    Here's a review from New York Times:


    I have yet to find a rock so large that one could live under it and not still catch wind of the controversy surrounding Mel Gibson’s new film, “The Passion of the Christ.” That’s partly because of Tinseltown’s perennial pipeline of advance notices on pretty much any movie connected to any star of Gibson’s magnitude. It’s also because “The Passion” has been the object of uncommon pre-release scrutiny and scuttlebutt on the basis of its core subject matter — the crucifixion of Jesus — which happens to be a touchstone of one world religion or another.

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    Like most of the population, I have yet to see the whole movie. But I’ve seen the trailer. In it, a sturdy male figure lowers his hand to the ground and slowly draws a line in the dusty earth of an ancient city. This being “The Passion”, I can only assume that this particular filmed gesture represents a looming confrontation in the time of Christ.

    Meanwhile, lines have been drawn by assorted cultural pundits, publicists, and religious leaders in their own impassioned statements about the film this past season. In essence, they’ve been baiting audiences with suspicions, suppositions, accusations, and denials of anti-Semitic subtext in the film. Are they pushing us to question Mel’s integrity? To bookmark our Bibles with the First Amendment? Are they trying to insulate us from the undue influence of multiplex evangelists, or encouraging us to reach back a couple of millennia and pick a side on some age-old Jew-Gentile divide? Not only has all this quasi-theological hysteria brewed before 99 percent of us have even had a chance to see the flick for ourselves, but it dates back to months before a finished theatrical cut even existed.


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    To be sure, Mel was inviting special attention when he started screening variously tweaked versions of the film for scholars, select journalists, and evangelical Christian groups last year. I fully believe he had a vested personal interest in these folks’ opinions, and I don’t doubt that his ultimate aims included a final cut that would please a mass audience while reflecting his Traditionalist Catholic viewpoint. But once these sneak previews gave way to a crossfire of preemptive objections and hot-button rhetoric heard from L.A. to the Vatican, there could be no slowing of the conflict-hungry hype machine. Maybe they should have re-titled it “The Passion of the PR Professionals.”

    Belief or hubris?
    Neither Mel nor his movie nor its defenders and detractors can take full credit for the larger fracas, of course. People have been quarreling (and worse) over the death of Jesus for centuries. Without indulging the details of the whole socio-religious hubbub, suffice it to say that Gibson has made what he considers to be a deeply faithful and historically accurate screen account of the real-life Christ’s martyrdom, citing the Gospels as a primary source — not just of inspiration, but also empirical information. (If the film wins a screenplay Oscar in ’05, does that mean Mark, Matthew, Luke and John would be entitled to join Gibson and co-writer Benedict Fitzgerald at the podium for high-fives?)

    It’s hardly the first time a filmmaker has poured potentially divisive perspectives into ostensibly mainstream work. When Oliver Stone made “JFK”, it seemed clear enough that the director was using his craft to present a version of history that had deep resonance for him, regardless of viewers’ predisposition to believe or disbelieve the conspiracy theories and magic-bullet deconstructions portrayed in the film. Either way, it was an entertaining and aesthetically absorbing movie that sparked more than a few conversations outside the theater.

    Of course, the hand-wringing over Gibson’s new work more clearly harkens back to the controversy surrounding the 1988 release of Martin Scorsese’s “The Last Temptation of Christ” — if from a slightly perpendicular avenue. That film observed Jesus not only in moments of punishing doubt, but also in a hallucinatory hay-roll with Mary Magdalene. By comparison, the “Passion” brouhaha seems esoteric.

    But again, I haven’t seen it yet. I only know I’m supposed to look for anti-Semitic undertones because they’ve been so fervently alleged and deflected across international media since before “Matrix: Revolutions” came out.

    Another addiction?
    When Gibson himself recently sat down with Diane Sawyer on ABC’s “Primetime” to discuss the movie and the controversy, he recounted a grim phase of his personal life that led to his rediscovery of and re-dedication to his faith. Watching him admit to the addictive personality that led him down some dark and dangerously depressive corridors, it was hard not to wonder whether his staunch embrace of old-school Catholic ideals might simply represent another kind of addiction. If booze once pushed him to extremes of self-loathing, could the Gospels now be pushing him to extremes of self-righteousness?

    Personally, I don’t really question Mel’s motives. In the same Sawyer interview, he emphasized his wish to create a vividly brutal depiction of the crucifixion in hopes that audiences might be able “to see that someone could endure that and still come back with love and forgiveness." You could call that an advertisement for Christianity. You could also call it a violent epic with a tormented martyr for a hero, which is pretty much in line with several of Hollywood’s most successful secular blockbusters (not to mention previous Gibson mainstays including “Mad Max” and “Braveheart”).

    At the end of the day, religious beliefs are just as likely as race, gender, sexual orientation, or political conviction to be reflected in a star’s work. The fact in and of itself that Gibson would apply a $25 million budget to a literal-minded adaptation of centuries-old scripture doesn’t make him a religious zealot. But he is clearly religious, and he is definitely zealous, and there’s no reason not to expect those qualities to emerge in his films. Besides, sticking to his Traditionalist Catholic guns and stirring controversy in the press is apt to fuel interest in “The Passion of the Christ” more than any trailer ever could.

    Speaking of which, let’s get back to that hand, the one in the trailer. I’ve watched it repeatedly online, and one thing’s got me puzzled: From above, the camera observes a man whom I presume to be Christ drawing a line in the dirt with his right hand. Cut to a close-up, and suddenly it appears to be a left hand. Is it a continuity error? Or is Gibson trying to tell us that Jesus could switch from righty to lefty at the drop of a pebble?

    Now there’s a fresh controversy for the Easter brunch table.

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  2. A-Train

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    WTF is this cheesehead writing 12 paragraphs about if he hasn't seen it yet?
     
  3. Behad

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    Here's your answer from the first paragraph:

    That’s partly because of Tinseltown’s perennial pipeline of advance notices on pretty much any movie connected to any star of Gibson’s magnitude.


    He doesn't want to be left out.


    The wife and I are going Friday morning. Until then, I will stay out of this thread.
     
  4. BobFinn*

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    I read about a strange occurrence that happened during the filming of this movie. The actor that plays Christ was struck by lightning, and an assistant director struck twice, while filming this movie.

    Coincedence or something more?


    ROME, Italy -- Actor Jim Caviezel, who plays Jesus in Mel Gibson's controversial film "The Passion of Christ" was struck by lightning during shooting.

    Caviezel was uninjured, but a producer described how he saw smoke coming from the actor's ear.

    An assistant director on the film, Jan Michelini, was also hit -- for the second time in a few months.

    The first time, a lightning fork struck his umbrella during filming on top of a hill near Matera in Italy, causing light burns to the tips of his fingers, VLife, a supplement to Variety publications said in its October issue.

    A few months later the second strike happened, a few hours from Rome.

    Michelini was again carrying an umbrella, and standing next to Caviezel on top of a hill, the magazine said.

    Both were hit, with the main bolt striking Caviezel while one of its forks hit Michelini's umbrella. Neither were hurt.

    The film, which is spoken in Latin and Aramaic, has come in for criticism from some religious leaders. It portrays the last hours of Jesus, but some Jewish and Roman Catholic groups are concerned the film will fuel anti-Semitism.
     
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  5. OmegaSupreme

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    suggestion... this movie is NOT for everybody.

    i mentioned in my "what's goin' on" thread that i was taking my little bro to see it. mistake? i dunno.

    went to the 4:00 showing at first colony. walked out a hour into the movie with tears. just couldn't stomach it. point made. stepping over people in the audience everybody was in tears.

    felt bad crying in front of my brother, but saw that his eyes were kinda red.

    won't post anything from the hour that i saw to keep it spoiler free... though there really aren't any spoilers.
     
  6. drapg

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    Even "Cold Pizza" devoted a whole segment to this movie.

    I plan to see it this weekend.
     
  7. Behad

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    One more thing.....I saw a "Making of" tv show last night, and after the initial discussions between Mel Gibson and the actor who plays Jesus (James Caviezel), James turned to Mel and said "Mel, you know my initials are J.C., and I'm 33 years old."

    Freaky, huh?
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    Is he saying he's Jesus Christ? Jesus Christ wouldn't make crap like Frequency.

    :D
     
  9. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Hey, you've got 10 pages in one thread and 5 in another about the movie in D&D. :)


    (whoops)
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Dude, I heard that, like, the main guy dies? But then he comes
    back in the end, real kick ass like! I hope that's the way it goes.
    That would so rock.
     
  11. fadeaway

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    Like, whatever. That is so cliche.
     
  12. moestavern19

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    oh THANKS MAN, dude... don't you know you're supposed to make a full line of asterisks with the word "SPOILER" in caps before you talk about a movie? OMG my whole weekend is ruined. I hate you forever.
     
  13. JayZ750

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    I thought it was funny.
     
  14. cwebbster

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    I just saw it with my girlfriend, and I tell you guys, I truly erased my demons that I have with faith. TO see what He went through for us is absolutely amazing. The movie is beautiful, but gut wrenching at times. The torture that Christ endures is very accurate as to what you would imagine and read in the Gospels. This movie is an instant classic, but at the same time will not do well with liberal hollywood. If you are looking for the truth, witness this piece of history, and your life will be totally changed. At many points, I found myself literally gasping for air, and in tears to think that we did this to this Man. The most amazing part was when the show ended and people walked out without saying a word. It was so poetic. This is a must see for everyone!!
     
  15. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    But dude, no. I messed up telling, like, what I heard.

    We're supposed to like forgive forever, or something like that. :(
     
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  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    You thought the movie was funny? :confused: Um, I haven't seen it, but... ;)
     
  18. OmegaSupreme

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    miss the rest of the quote, robert? ;)

     
  19. JeeberD

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    I'm not in the least bit religious, but I'm interested in seeing the movie...
     
  20. ZRB

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    I'm looking forward to seeing this film. I've always enjoyed movies having something to do with Rome, as well as movies based on myth.
     

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