I just came across this, so excuse me if this has been covered before. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1 ========================================================== Young Singers Spread Racist Hate Duo Considered the Olsen Twins of the White Nationalist Movement Oct. 20, 2005 — - Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans. They may remind you of another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate. Known as "Prussian Blue" -- a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes -- the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine. "We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white ... we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race." Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would." April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs -- specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification. "Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand." Teaching Hate Songs like "Sacrifice" -- a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer -- clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up." "It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund -- though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught. On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree. "Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children." Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke -- the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist -- uses the twins to draw a crowd. Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause. "Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity." Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out. But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx. "We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth." A Taste for Hate Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist. One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead." "I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores." Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s." Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous. "When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful." A Place to Call Home Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message. Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina -- the white ones. The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs -- some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased. After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia. Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up. But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest. Copyright © 2005 ABC News Internet Ventures ========================================================== Spreading the message of hate to the preteen and teen demographics by using these girls. How desperate and vile can these white supremacists get?
Well, I never thought the Olsen twins were overly attractive. It is true that they have starved themselves and had a lot of work done on their faces. From this picture, you can easily tell that they've had work done on their noses and eyes. Theirs noses are much more streamlined, and their nostrils don't flare any more. Their eyelids have also been lifted to produce bigger, rounder eyes, and the dark sags under their eyes have been removed. The miracle of plastic surgery. I would bet you these Prussian Blue girls will follow right in the Olsens' footsteps and get themselves some major plastic work done before too long. The fat, old, white supremacists will drool all over themselves, and the budding, teen and preteen white supremacist will snap up anything and everything these girls promote... That'll be the day.
I saw this on "Real Time with Bill Mahr" and it is absolutely sick but as one person said they are just spewing out what they've learned from their ignorant mother and grandfather. I wonder how their father feels about this?
The next thread about these two chicks should only be about them turning 18... If I really wanted to listen to white supremacy music, I'll dig up some old German heavy metal, not a female version of Hanson...
If we acknowledge that these views will always exist in American society, that they are a biproduct of human nature and therefore will always need an outlet, then sadly we should also realize that this is the least harmful way for people to express them. As a 27 yr old black male who grew up in the South, I'll take offensive song lyrics over lynchings, beatings and suppression of voting, education, housing and employment rights pretty much any day of the week, thanks.
This is the kind of crap we have to put with as a result of having freedom of expression guaranteed by our Constitution. I wonder how posters would feel if we instead had anti-racist and anti-incitement statutes built into our law like several European countries do, notably France and Germany. Here is an example of what I'm referring to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4471026.stm Austrians refuse bail for Irving Mr Irving denies Hitler knew Jews were being systematically killed Austrian authorities have refused bail for British historian David Irving, who is facing Holocaust denial charges. Mr Irving, 67, was arrested on 11 November in connection with two speeches he gave in Austria in 1989. Mr Irving's lawyer has said the historian now no longer denies that gas chambers existed in Nazi death camps. Mr Irving can appeal against the charges under Austrian law. No trial date has been set yet. He could face up to 10 years in jail if found guilty. A court in Vienna ruled on Friday that Mr Irving must stay in custody as there was a risk he could abscond. His lawyer Elmar Kresbach had offered to post bail. Witnesses tell their stories Mr Irving is accused of having denied the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz in two speeches he made in Vienna and Leoben in 1989. Mr Irving sued US historian Deborah Lipstadt in London in 2000 for labelling him a Holocaust denier. He lost in a comprehensive verdict. Despite the mortal blow to his reputation in 2000, he remains a showman and may well relish the opportunity to grandstand before a wider audience if put on trial, BBC legal affairs analyst Jon Silverman says. In his books, Mr Irving has argued that the scale of the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis in World War II has been exaggerated. He has also claimed that Nazi leader Adolf Hitler knew nothing of the Holocaust. Mr Irving was previously arrested in Austria in 1984. COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL Austria Belgium Czech Republic France Germany Israel Lithuania Poland Slovakia Switzerland ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Personally, I think from a practical standpoint, adopting these kind of laws might be good. The question is where would we draw the line on curbing freedom of expression.
I apologize if I'm slandering anybody's homeland, but I bet if you take away Israel and Poland from that list, you could probably change that heading to "Countries with Holocaust Blood on their Hands." The collective psychological impact of accomplicing six million deaths in your own backyard in half a generation's time with assembly-line efficiency and planning, and with the freaking blueprints to prove it, transcends constitutional conventions and political ideals. The Europeans created these laws to suppress guilt and regret about actions, ideas and speech that, overnight, became immediately objectionable and discomforting 50-60 years ago. Can you think of any ideas or philosophies in this country that a majority of the American people considered objectionable about the same time? That, without fail, inspired bloody, violent reactions in certain parts of this country? That was derided as "Communist propaganda" by politicians and government officials? Of course you can, it was Civil Rights speech. If the mechanisms existed in our Constitution to illegalize these speeches, sit-ins, boycotts and Marches on Washington, would our democratically elected legislators and Presidents have passed and signed bills into law to ban them? Of course they would have. (Remember how politically radioactive Civil Rights was in the 50s and 60s? Eisenhower, Nixon and even LBJ when he was still fighting JFK for the Democratic nomination, never touched it. Illegalizing protests or discussions about the issues, so politicians wouldn't have had to respond to them, would have killed two birds with one stone.) The beauty of free speech in the United States is that it goes both ways. You never, ever know who will be the unpopular ones, the "outside agitators" 50 years down the road, so on the off chance that it's you, you give the wackos their platform now, and just scream like hell when it's your turn.
