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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Oct 23, 2006.

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  1. mc mark

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    They aren't going to announce outright a plan to reduce troop deployment for a total pullout. Need to revise a little history so the evil libruhls can't gloat without appearing petty....
     
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    So with this admission, can we assert that "stay the course" was never about what was best for the war or the war on terror, but a cute campaign slogan discarded when it was no longer operable?
     
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    <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qZE20lzZZF0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qZE20lzZZF0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>
     
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    What about all the supporters who bought into his idea of staying the course?

    What does this say to them?
     
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    Bush's Strategic Change


    By William Fisher

    It has gone largely unreported, but President Bush's "stay the course" mantra has apparently taken a 180-degree turn.

    I offer in evidence this recent quote from Mr. Bush:

    The president's remarks came at a signing ceremony for the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, which will establish a searchable online database of federal grants and contracts.

    As reported by Steve Aftergood's Project on Government Secrecy, a White House fact sheet said the new law "is part of President Bush's ongoing commitment to improve transparency, accountability, and management across the Federal Government."

    OK, so maybe it wasn't about Iraq or Afghanistan or the Global War on Terror. And maybe the timing of its revelation had just a tad to do with the mid-term elections. But it has to be seen as some kind of major epiphany anyway.

    The reason is that this president has presided over arguably the most secretive government in US history.

    Consider the findings of a report issued a while ago by Congressman Henry Waxman of California, one of the Democrats effectively neutered by the current House majority. Waxman's report found "a systematic effort by the Bush Administration to limit the application of the laws that promote open government and accountability ... the Bush Administration has sought to curtail public access to information while expanding the powers of government to operate in secret."

    The report alleged that both the American people and the US Congress are being denied access to millions of pages of documents to which they are entitled under law. It added, "The actions of the Bush Administration have resulted in an extraordinary expansion of government secrecy. External watchdogs, including Congress, the media, and non-governmental organizations, have consistently been hindered in their ability to monitor government activities."

    The report found that the administration has systematically withheld "a vast array" of records from Congress. Subjects have ranged "from simple census data and routine agency correspondence to presidential and vice presidential records."

    Henry Waxman has good reason to know. Congress itself, Waxman's report says, has been one of the main victims of our secret government. "On over 100 separate occasions, the Administration has refused to answer the inquiries of, or provide the information requested" by Congressman Waxman in his role as the senior Democrat on the House Committee on Government Reform. The information the Administration has refused to provide includes "documents requested by the ranking members of eight House Committees relating to the prison abuses at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere," the report says.

    Well, maybe Mr. Waxman and the rest of us need to cut the president some slack. After all, his epiphany only happened a few weeks ago.

    Now, the Decider in Chief has to get it implemented, and that's going to take a bit of time. Even for a chief executive with a Harvard MBA, it's not going to be a quick or easy job.

    Because, as of today, the government continues to classify more documents about more different subjects than any of its predecessors ever dreamed of. And it spends billions in taxpayer funds to do so.

    Still, the president's epiphany has to come as welcome news to all the folks who have spent the past six frustrating years trying to make the Freedom of Information Act work in something resembling a timely manner.

    Take heart, ACLU, Associated Press, and countless other soldiers in what has become an open-the-government cottage industry.

    Given the president's management skills, and his authority as Decider, maybe it won't be too long before the government folks whose salaries we pay stop spinning the truth and let us all in on both our successes and our failures.

    Maybe, in the future, it won't take an army of meddlers to learn what we need to know about Gitmo, secret CIA prisons, domestic eavesdropping, faux science, rolling back environmental protections, interoperable radios, progress in our Global War On Terrorism, and a host of other issues.

    And - who knows? - it might just signal the end of whistleblowing!


    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/102306R.shtml
     
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    Sounds like somebody had too long of a chat with Borat.
     
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    See, they're always trying to change the semantics. "stay the course" is not the same thing as "get the job done".
    They have nothing to do with each other. See, he was never about staying the course, he was about getting the job done.
    Two very DIFFERENT things. You have to be a revisionist to think that they're connected.

    The guy deflects blame better than "it wasn't me" Shaggy.
     
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    it's not a strategic change, it's a semantic change. the us will continue to "stay the course" by staying in iraq. we will also continue to adapt to changing tactics by the enemy, as we should. there's no news here.
     
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    Wow, I actually beat basso to the spin. You guys are a little slow. You gotta pick up the pace, you guys only got 2 weeks left.
     
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    who is the emeny . . .the liberal media?
    Changing tactics et al

    Rocket River
     
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    This is so pathetic it's like shooting dead fish in a paint bucket with a howitzer...

    STEPHANOPOULOS: That's exactly what I wanted to ask you about because [former Secretary of State under President George H.W. Bush] James Baker says he's looking for something between . . . cut and run and stay the course.

    BUSH: Listen, we've never been stay the course, George.

     
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    Did you type that with a straight face, basso??



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
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    Can you also post the link? I want to point people there.

    DD
     
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    Basso is so right on here. The supportive commentary that has gone with this announcement is about how the generals are constantly reviewing and adjusting tactics in Iraq. "Stay the Course" had been appropriated by the "other side" to insinuate a degree of inflexibility that wasn't there.
     
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    constantly reviewing and adjusting tactics in Iraq?

    Who's ever heard of 'constantly reviewing and adjusting tactics in Iraq'? That sounds so friggin' John Kerry don't you think giddy?


    From today's WaPo --

    But the White House is cutting and running from "stay the course." A phrase meant to connote steely resolve instead has become a symbol for being out of touch and rigid in the face of a war that seems to grow worse by the week, Republican strategists say. Democrats have now turned "stay the course" into an attack line in campaign commercials, and the Bush team is busy explaining that "stay the course" does not actually mean stay the course.

    Instead, they have been emphasizing in recent weeks how adaptable the president's Iraq policy actually is. Bush remains steadfast about remaining in Iraq, they say, but constantly shifts tactics and methods in response to an adjusting enemy. "What you have is not 'stay the course' but in fact a study in constant motion by the administration," Snow said yesterday.

    Political rhetoric, of course, is often in constant motion as well. But with midterm elections two weeks away, the Bush team is searching for a formula to address public opposition to the war, struggling to appear consistent and flexible at the same time. That was underscored by the reaction to a New York Times report that the administration is drafting a timetable for the Iraqi government to disarm militias and assume a larger security role. The White House initially called the story "inaccurate." But then White House counselor Dan Bartlett went on CNN yesterday morning to call it "a little bit overwritten" because in fact it was something the administration had been doing for months.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/23/AR2006102301053.html
     
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    "Okay folks, show's over,nothing to see here..."

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