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The Most Effective 5 Man Combination Overal Will Be?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 29, 2008.

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  1. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

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    Of course, matchup and such things matter, but what combination of players do you think will prove most productive/effective over the course of the season?

    Edit: My thoughts:

    I think the best Rockets combination will likely involve Artest at the 4, to provide spacing. It will have Battier there for the extra defensive punch. It will most likely involve Rafer Alston-- it's been a trend that the team plays better with Rafer.

    An easy guess will be: Yao, Artest, Battier, McGrady, Alston. A combination that provides a good balance of offense, defense, shooting, size and quickness.

    I think it is more likely to be the following, though:

    Hayes, Artest, Battier, Barry, Aston. Ron will have to carry the burden of being the only one who creates his own shots, but I think this combo will run the motion offense well and defend like mad.

    Yep, I do think it possible-- or even somewhat likely-- that the best Rockets lineup will include neither of the max salary players.
     
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  2. rox4lyf

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    Definitely could be the most efficient group we could put out there. We all saw how good our offense looked without TMac and how far we went without Yao. But I wouldn't say they'll be more successful than the eventual starting lineup adelman eventually decides on.

    There is no "Ewing" theory with our team for either Tmac or Yao as Bill Simmons would always like to put it. We need those guys both healthy and on the floor together to produce the wins that matter most, even if efficiency wise they might not be as good as the other lineup.
     
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  3. fmullegun

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    Landry
    Artest
    TMAC
    YAO
    Rafer
     
    #3 fmullegun, Oct 29, 2008
  4. heypartner

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    The most effective lineup will be the one that closes games the most; otherwise, you'll be saying Adelman is an idiot.

    As far as stats for lineups go at 82games.com, Sam Hinkie, Dir of Basketball Ops for the Rockets, reminds us in rockets.com's latest interview by Jason that lineup or individual numbers in small doses might mean the coach is only fielding that under advantageous matchups...which simply means the coach is smart to identify mismatches, not necessarily that the said player or lineup always creates a mismatch.

    bottomline: if the most effective lineup isn't closing the games, something is wrong with the coach.
     
    #4 heypartner, Oct 29, 2008
  5. HeyDude

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    I dont know why but I think Hayes, Landry, Artest, TMAC, Barry would rock, if used correctly at small spurts. But small spurt doesnt meant it wont be important. They could turn a deficit into a lead or small lead into bigger lead.
     
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  6. flipmode

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    Rafer
    McGrady
    Artest
    Hayes
    Yao

    I'd prefer Hayes in the lineup so we don't lose offensive production in the 2nd unit:

    Head
    Wafer
    Barry
    Landry/Scola
    Dorsey
     
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  7. durvasa

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    There seems to be a contradiction here. You say the coach is smart to identify advantageous matchups during the course of the game, but in the end he should use the most effective lineup (apparently) without regard to matchups.

    If it's a winning strategy to recognize advantageous matchup during the game, why not keep that same philosophy at the end when it counts?
     
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  8. emjohn

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    We've got several strong combinations that can really take advantage of matchups and situations:

    Big:
    Yao-Scola-Landry-Artest-Barry

    Small:
    Scola-Artest-McGrady-Head-Alston

    Defense:
    Yao-Artest-Battier-McGrady-Alston (dangerous zone with Yao anchoring)

    Offense:
    Scola-Landry-Artest-McGrady-Alston

    Shooters:
    Scola-Artest-Battier-McGrady-Barry

    We've finally what looks like a DEEP team, with a fantastic rotation that allows us to adapt to any style we face. No more being unable to handle frontcourts like we see with the Jazz, Celtics, or Lakers. Our bench of Landry, Battier, Hayes, (Brooks? Head?) and Barry really has me excited.

    We've got several STUD stoppers (Hayes, Artest, Battier). We've got numerous guys that can step in and score in a supporting role each night. If we can get 70 games each out of our big 3, and are at full strength come April....I really like our chances to make noise.
     
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  9. Yao4REAL

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    The most effective deadly combination is:

    Barry
    Tmac
    Battier
    Artest
    Yao

    You have Barry and Battier (team best outside shooters) to knock down 3s when they try to double Yao or Tmac or Artest.

    You have deadly combo of defenders with Battier and Artest.

    When an offense that operate through Tmac and Yao and Artest...you don't need a TRUE PG, you just need someone to knock down 3 and make them pay.
     
    #9 Yao4REAL, Oct 29, 2008
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    Offense

    Barry
    Tmac
    Artest
    Scolandry (who ever is hot that day so depends)
    Yao

    Defense

    Alston
    Artest
    Battier
    Hayes
    Yao
     
    #10 joesr, Oct 29, 2008
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    Alston
    McGrady
    Battier
    Hayes
    Yao
     
    #11 Ziggy, Oct 29, 2008
  12. durvasa

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    JVG, is that you?
     
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  13. heypartner

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    no contradiction. The most effective lineup is the one the coach uses to close games the most...that is, the one that gives you a winning advantage the most. Never said you can't close with other lineups for special situations.

    Don't really see how anyone can argue with this unless they intend to argue with the coach about the best 5-man lineup. I was merely pointing out this the OP's question is more about guessing which lineup Adelman will play the most in the 4th quarters.
     
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    put 3 offensive holes and a 36 year old and a rap singer in one lineup?
     
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    I don't know about you guys, but when Brooks improve his court vision, he'll probably be in one of the most effective 5 man combination. He has high shooting accuracy + athletism + speed. He is either one of the fastest or if not the fastest player in the league. Doesn't matter if Brooks has bad handles, if he can develop better court vision, he is gauranteed to draw double teams because he will always beat his man off the dribble with his speed.

    Love doing that in 2K9 :p , Brooks always draw double team.
     
    #15 flamingdts, Oct 29, 2008
  16. Alvin Choo

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    any line-up with rafer is not effective.....
     
    #16 Alvin Choo, Oct 29, 2008
  17. durvasa

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    Based on the last couple season, that statement can't be any more wrong.
     
    #17 durvasa, Oct 29, 2008
  18. durvasa

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    I see, ok.
     
    #18 durvasa, Oct 29, 2008
  19. YallMean

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    Artest at 4? Against Utah, yes, but most of the west teams are playing two bigs these days. I think it's too much to ask from Artest to keep with two Gasols, Oberto, Amare ...
     
    #19 YallMean, Oct 29, 2008
  20. chow_yun_fat

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    aaron brooks
    luther head
    rafer alston
    joey dorsey
    von wafer
     
    #20 chow_yun_fat, Oct 29, 2008
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