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The Moon and life on other planets - Science channel

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  1. PhiSlammaJamma

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    After watching the moon special on the science channel I learned the following listed below, and based on that only, I have leaned further toward the reality that intelligent life may only exist on earth. That is a stretch for me. No doubt. But the special leads me to believe the obstacles in forming life are more difficult than first imagined. I am of course open to more information and could change my mind. But Here is what I learned in a half sleep at 3am.

    - The only scenario in which the moon could have formed was when Ortheus (some plantary body) smashed into the earth not once, but twice, quite possibly wiping out anything that may have been living. Giving the earth a clean slate.

    -the reminants of that crash become dust and form the moon formed rather quickly.

    -The crash in theory initiates the mixing of elements from Orpheus and earth to provide the appropriate elements and atmosphere for life as we know it to begin

    -If there was no moon, the earth would wobble, and the weather would probably be uninhabitable for intelligent life as we know it. the variability of the weather would only allow for a very adaptable organism to survive. Life would have to be extremely resilliant in such conditions. If it could live at all.

    -The moon is moving away from us, therefor, one day, we may wobble again. Thus wiping out life as we know it.

    Given that information:
    It would seem improable to me that intelligent life would exist elsewhere. Sure it happened here. But you are really talking about a series of seemingly improbable events to me. There are only two scenarios in outer space. Planets either have a moon or they don't.

    If they don't, the conditions are likely so severe due to wobbling that intelligent life as we know it probably couldn't survive. It would take a resilliant organism to survive. In our world such an organism would be less than intelligent.

    If a planet does have a moon, that means that life on that planet would likely have to be wiped out entirely before the moon could have formed. And then, the perfect mix of two planetary bodies elements would need to come together to have a chance at intelligent life. After all of that, intelligent life has to survive.

    The odds do not seem good to me. I do believe that life is resillient and finds a way. So let's say that it did. Even if everything was perfect. And somehow you got a perfect moon, a perfect mixing of elements, and intelligent life formed, how long could it conceivably survive? long enough for us to find it? Not likely. If a planet has been lucky enough to have a epic collision for form a solar system, and life, and then it is lucky enough to have another epic collision, and form a moon, then that planet is also unlucky enough to have a thousand meteorites homing in on it. They go hand in hand. Given all the collisions that wipe out life is it even conceivable that we would be lucky enough to find it before it was wiped out? It is conceivable that anything would live long enought to communicate with another life form. Anyway, it was all fascinating, but it has me leaning toward the reality that life on earth is the extent of it.
     
  2. MR. MEOWGI

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    1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Stars in the known universe (est)
    9 billion years of existance (giving a few for cooling/ formation)

    utterly incomprehensible numbers

    also, life on Earth has made it for 3.6 billion years... I'd say life is VERY resilliant
    I think that our ideas on what is necessary for life are probably way off, and who knows if this is the only universe
     
  4. SwoLy-D

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    Didn't Leno say one time:
    "Scientists discovered today that the universe is all black with no stars... sort of like the WB and the UPN... :D" [insert large CHIN cackle here]
     
  5. underoverup

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    The universe is crawling with life both intelligent and non-intelligent; there are just too many stars out there for this not to be a fact. :)
     
  6. Dr of Dunk

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    If you judge possibilities and use only yourself as a frame of reference, you're limiting the potential for discovery. Ancient scientists could not believe that the earth was not the center of the universe. They could not believe that the world was anything but flat. They limited their thinking based upon what they were used to and what they perceived. If you believe "life" is defined by what we are and how we exist, you are stating that any other type of "life" would not/could not exist or would have a difficult time doing so. That's really limiting yourself. Discovery is about not confining yourself to what you think, but rather expanding what you know.

    One thing about life is that it is varied and it is prevalent just about everywhere in just about every type of environment. The probability of life may be low, but then again if we're less than a speck within the universe we haven't even scratched the surface of that probability.
     
  7. swilkins

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    Don't forget how important those gas giants are.

    We may have been wiped out many times if it wasn't for Jupiter alone.
     
  8. SWTsig

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    uh, no. you're saying this as if we know everything about the universe when in fact we probably know next to nothing. things are probably going on right now that our imaginations probably couldn't even grasp.

    the universe is soooo expansive and large that there is absolutely know way you could use what's happened/happening here as a basis. we're talking about trillions-upon-trillions of planetary objects (planets, moons, stars, etc.). hell, we're not even too sure how life formed on this planet, so our assesment on if life (intelligent or otherwise) exists on other "planets" can't be all that accurate.

    if anything, the odds are highly favorable in the other direction.
     
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    It's just as likely to think that we are the only intelligent life, as it is to think that we are not.
     
  10. underoverup

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    If you were playing the lottery with a near infinite number of lotto balls (stars) and released them all at the nearly the same time you would have a near infinite number of winners. ;)
     

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