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The Media is Inaccurate: We are Still above the cap

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Aug 1, 2001.

  1. heypartner

    heypartner Member

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    Not only are we above the cap, but we lose all our exceptions the moment that we get below it, and thus their cap hit is extinguished.

    $24m in signed contracts + Griffin (according to Jonathan Feigen)
    $12m in exceptions
    $2.86 equals Shandons cap hit at 130% of salary
    $680k equals Moochies cap hit at 130% of salary
    $3m equals Bullard at 200% of salary
    $4.4m equals Rogers at 200% of salary
    $2.7m equals Mo at 120% of salary
    $465K equals Colson

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    $47.245m in Team Salary

    We are not under the cap right now. The media is incorrect saying that we are below the cap right now!!!!

    The media is failing to include the $12m in exceptions to our salary, and they further confuse things by saying we are below the cap and still have our exceptions.

    So, how do we get under the cap

    We likely will renounce the exception or renounce players. For instance, the moment we renounce Rogers and sign Bullard to a veteran minimum, we will fall a few million under the cap. The moment that happens, we lose ALL our exceptions and their cap hit is extinguished.

    Another simple way to look at it is that we will not have any exceptions if we sign Mo to more than the middle class. We lose them all.

    props to aelliott for first reminding us all of this.
     
  2. TeXaSalsa

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    i thought we decided to not exercise our option on rogers. also isnt colsons salary optional?

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  3. Sane

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    Does this mean we can use the 4.5million trade exception now, as well as the veteran minimum? and then after we have player signed to them, THEN renounce the 12M in trade exceptions?

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  4. heypartner

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    Rogers is a free agent by us not taking his option. But, he is still our unsigned free agent, so he counts against our cap, just like Mo and Shandon do as well (and they didn't exercise their player options).

    Further, I got everything but the Feigan number from Realgm. But as I said, if we eliminate Rogers and a million more, then we drop below the cap, and lose all the exceptions!

    Why is the media saying we have exceptions, yet not counting them against the cap?


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  5. heypartner

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    It is not a $12m trade exception. $12M is the sum of all the exceptions that you mention.
     
  6. NIKEstrad

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    the Feigen number doesn't count Maloney.

    Francis- 3.47352
    Mobley- 4.41288
    Langhi- 0.46585
    Cato- 6.0
    Maloney- 2.54375
    Moochie cap hit- 0.68055
    Collier- 1.280067
    Walt- 5.0
    Morris cap hit- 0.0
    Griffin cap hit-1.34072
    Thomas-.94692
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    26.144

    Assumed we renounce everyone/everything except Mooch and our trade exceptions.
    The Toronto Oakley exception is for 5.061539
    Our Drew exception is for 1.1826.

    32.388139 mill. We could resign Mo easily and still keep our exceptions through the season. If you give 2.86 as Early Bird to Shandon, you could still give Mo a base of ~7 mill if you wanted, and resign Mooch through Early Bird, and Bullard to minimum. This would actually allow us to keep our trade exceptions (the Drew one expires soon though) through the season, assuming we don't want to sign any other outside free agents.

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  7. ROCKET!!!

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    HP,
    Here we go again!

    We are below the cap....
    We renounced Rogers and we loose all the exceptions except for one.

    A trade exception does not go away, hence our desire to trade for Toronto's trade exception.

    We already have a $1.18 mil exception from Chicago from the drew trade.

    So we now have approximately $6.5 mil in trade exceptions we may use after reaching the $42.5 mil mark.

    Here is what will happen....

    The Rocks will sign Mo, SA (if we don't S&T him) and Mark Jackson. This should put us at or just above the cap.

    Because Bull and Mooch have bird rights we can automatically resign them to any figure within the CBA rules for seniority.

    We still have $6.5 mil to go and get a player via trade.

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  8. heypartner

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    You are counting the trade exceptions in your $32m number, whereas the CBA says they would be extinguished, because you are supposed to exclude their sum when determining whether you get them.

    The CBA says that you add up all salaries and unsigned player cap hits. That is it. To determine if you get your exceptions, you measure the gap betweeen salary commitments and the cap. That is: you add salary commitments to the sum of unsigned free agent hist and that is it. You do not include exceptions, yet, because you are simply doing math to determine if you get them. If the resulting difference (the gap) is larger than the sum of the exceptions, you are not entitled to exceptions. If the gap is smaller than the sum of the exceptions, you get them, but then the count against the cap, and thus they take you over it.

    For reference, see the CBA Article VII, Section 6 "Exceptions to the Salary Cap," Subsection (k) "Other Rules."

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  9. heypartner

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    NIKEstrad and ROCKET!!

    I used to agree, but I no longer do.

    Here is subsection k

    Note in that clause that exceptions are not included in their math to determine if you are "entitled to use" them.

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  10. ROCKET!!!

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    Crispee,

    Reread it....
    We are not below the cap by the total amount of the teams exceptions because we have not renounced enough salary.

    At this time we have not lost ANY exceptions. With this deal, we have approx. $12.0 mil in exceptions and $34.0 - $35.0 mil in unrenounced salary.

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  11. heypartner

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    ROCKET!!

    Really man, re-read my post title. Did I say we were below the cap?

    You don't get it. I'm sorry.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    When it comes to the salary cap, I only trust aelliott and NIKEStrad...

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  13. heypartner

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    useful post Det
     
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    Useful for the rest of us.

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  15. heypartner

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    dogbelly needs a rub
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    hehe...I knew that would conflict with your ego... [​IMG] you fell for it [​IMG]

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  17. jbond77

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    Crispee tries...but he will always be burnt by Nike and aelliot, not to mention the likes of DAVO! :p
     
  18. Rockets2K

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    hp has an ego??? Naaw say it isn't so! ;)

    btw hp..what happened to jammie..havent seen his nick around lately..did he have to change it when you did??
     
  19. SamCassell

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    jammy said the wrong things to the wrong people.
     
  20. heypartner

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    ego on this subject....maybe.

    searching for truth...definitely.

    It takes calling out misinformation by the media to find out the truth. I might get slammed here, but I find it takes courage to speak up to find the truth. Some call it ego. ;P


    Anyone want to take a stab at an interpretation of that CBA clause I posted. That is straight from the document. Come on guys. This is like one of the most important issues in our free agent summer.

    Do we have exceptions and cap space? I don't think so. We will find out soon enough.
     

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