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The Great Resignation

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Oct 15, 2021.

  1. Rocket River

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  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob my celli weighs a ton

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    Have seen it a couple of times now, but I love the "just to be clear" segment so much. :D
     
  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Actually think it's the opposite. We need to provide more safety net, not less. Capitalism has led to the lowest share of wealth amongst 90% of the population in history - workers make so little while the rich have taken in obscene amounts of money. That was never sustainable.

    If companies want people to work for them, it's time they actually offer something attractive to workers now. The gov't doesn't need to put the pressure on people to work menial jobs, it needs to work to get people educated, healthy, sheltered, and food.
     
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  4. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    Personally, I find this take to be shittier than a Woodstock port-a-potty.
     
  5. Rocket River

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    I think the biggest thing is that Employees finally had a moment to breathe
    It seems we were always so busy that they never got a moment to comtemplate how ****ed up it was
    Now . . .. . people are reaching points where .. . .. they finding being poor is ok if they not stressed to hell

    Smaller houses and less stuff for peace of mind is a good trade off
    People are thinking about the totality of their lives
    and what they want from it. . . .

    I see a rejection of taking on the college debt
    The idea of 80 weeks at 7.50 an hour to try to get ahead . . .. is over
    Even with the increase to 15 . . . people will be more selective about their jobs
    Employees feel a bit empowered. . . ..

    Capitalism cannot work well with empowered employees. . .
    which is why we have spent the last 50 years trying to destroy unions

    Remove Poverty and threat of hunger and homelessness
    what do the capitalist really offer?

    What happens when the POORS no longer need the baubbles of the Riches?
    The POORS must be made to come to heel!

    Rocket River
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Spoken like a true employee
     
  7. IBTL

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    Haha unless essential for in person ..like cop or nurse the pandemic has sped up the resignation and leaving. Sorry charlie.
    Guys like you make me laugh as they try to rationalize getting people back in person. It's fax machine thinking.

    As an 'employee' I'm having fun taking my ball elsewhere in this case remote 100% no commute save me big just on that (hint they can even pay me less!!imagine that)

    Adapt or die
     
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  8. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    Monopolize my time? Lmao. Get ****ed, bootlicker
     
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  9. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    I'm actually itching to get back in the office.

    However, if anyone wants to demand that I work for them *and only them* they can go pound sand unless A) they pay me so much money that a second gig isn't worth it or 2) they give me so much to do that I cannot meet the obligations of the job unless it receives 100% of my attention (in which case they better have requirement A on lockdown).

    Thinking you can demand people not find work to fill their other capacity is the absolute height of hubris and shows just how completely out of touch and entitled some folks are. No wonder some can't manage to keep anybody on staff.
     
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    Love that for the first time in decades workers have the upper hand. After years of no more pensions, cuts in benefits, layoffs, offshoring, mandatory OT and that’s white collar work.

    Hospitality, retail and food service are much worse. I’d bet everyone on this board who worked a job in their teens or 20s can tell horror stories of terrible treatment by bosses or customers. And now is anyone surprised that no one wants those **** paying, inflexible, lacking benefits, on your feet, dealing with entitled Karens jobs?

    Good for workers! We need a culture shift. More time for simple pleasures with friends and family. Working jobs you hate to buy crap you don’t need? No sir. Start living simply. You can find a better job or start your own business and you don’t need a 100k in student loan debt.
     
  11. IBTL

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    fine but the concept of office itself is outdated. It makes no sense. trade offs for minimal gain.
     
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    Once inflation shocks kick in from supply limited goods ( gas, oil, and food) and the stock market tumbles in like the first time since March 2020, there will be people going back to work, though I think they'll likely riot first.

    Bezos gets to wear a space suit that recycles urine while his foot soldiers are ordered to wear diapers to save on break time.

    Damn that socialist Uncle Biden for helicoptering checks and delay rent payments!!!
     
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    They’re manufacturing this narrative. All the jobs are getting automated, the jobs are not coming back and they are starting to not need you for anything.

    They always knew automation would have to be snuck in in big batches such that the economic depression could be folded into something else. A few years ago a bunch of massive companies knew that the most profitable way forward is automation but they knew downsizing of that magnitude would tank the economy and become a PR nightmare. It always had to be snuck in.

    I seriously advise you to ensure your career requires a human and that you know how to monetize on your skills outside of being an employee. We are simply going to need fewer employees per year from here on out.
     
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  14. Xerobull

    Xerobull Salve Dicit Mater Tua
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    Did you make it clear that being forced back to the office was why you were leaving? There are lessons to be learned for the company.
     
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    The issue here and with a lot of companies is:
    • Lack of formal performance/productivity metrics & tracking
    • Lack of a productive style of management, leadership, motivation and compensation
    'I can't see you so you aren't working' just isn't going to fly anymore.

    Sure, there are slackers and shitty employees, but if these people were getting their job done when they were sitting around in an office sucking up your space and utilities, then where's the breakdown when they're at home? Good leadership and management provides for almost any situation.
     
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    I guess we need to find out if his job description listed responsibilities he had (that he was presumably doing) or if it just said "your body is ours from 8-5 M-F"
     
  17. bobrek

    bobrek Person, woman, man, camera, TV
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    It's one thing if an employee is working 8 hours for one company and 8 different hours for another (as long as they are not in competition), but you don't think it's a bit sketchy to be working 8 hours for both companies at the same time?
     
  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost clean your room bucko
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    I don't really care if you have 2 jobs or 10 jobs. If you're able to take care of your obligations responsibly, more power to you.
     
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    Not going to argue with you on that. The utility of an office was way, way overinflated.

    However, I personally want back in (part-time/flex). Why?

    1) I've changed jobs during the pandemic and it's hard to get acclimated in a 100% virtual environment. Not only is it just harder to bond with the people and learn the org, but I've come to find that the onboarding programs many companies have do not translate well to virtual.
    2) I (usually) focus better in an office*. It's kind of like how there are some people who need to go to the gym to workout. That's me.
    3) General health concerns. My home office (I know I'm not alone) is not equipped well enough for 6-8+ hour workathons. Having separation from my kids, dogs, spouse, etc is kinda vital for mental health, too.


    *- open office plans excluded, f*** those
     
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    I have softened on the student loan forgiveness. If they just have to forgive something then forgiving the interest seems logical. My wife has kicked butt paying hers back since the interest freeze. They can reform how these lenders are allowed to loan the money.
     
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