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The Good: Turnovers are way down...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by montgo, Mar 1, 2004.

  1. montgo

    montgo Member

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    The Rockets are averaging about 12 turns per game over the last 8 games..(factoring a triple ot game). This is huge. Sans, the Seattle blowup or should we say, blowout. The Rockets are beginning to get it too because their assists are up....

    Just a silver lining in these dark days...now, how about we shoot the rock with efficiency....

    Steve and Yao have to quit having these games where is feast or not
     
  2. DCballer

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    Nice post, it's nice to read something positive for a change. To bad this thread won't get that much play, since the title isn't something like "Trade Steve":)
     
  3. HAYJON02

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    Yup, one thing at a time. Next they need to work on a steady offensive mindset to keep the rythem of their game going. They stumble way too much when they need something high percentage. And hey, less turnovers mean more shots for our new consistent offense.

    Watching the Kings has been a divine showing of how basketball can still be played but I forgot about because we have to watch so much crap.
     
  4. JPM0016

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    It's great to see the rockets limiting turnovers but it doesn't mean much if your an inconsistent shooting team. Let's hope that changes soon.
     
  5. DrNuegebauer

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    Sure it does - it means that you get more shot opportunities compared to your opponents...
     
  6. A-Train

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    ...of course, nobody but Yao could hit the ground if he fell out of a tree...
     
  7. London'sBurning

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    Don't make me go there. If the Rockets were to trade Steve they'd probably even have a better turnover/assist ratio.

    :rolleyes: :D

    It's good that turnovers are down and that the team is passing more. There are still instances where I don't like their shot selection, but truthfully if I were a fan of any other team, I'd still have my complaints about the other team's shot selection as well. I'm one of those people that thinks if your 3 pointers aren't dropping, you might as well be agressive and drive in the lane or settle for a midrange jumper instead.

    An example of the midrange jumper instances I'm talking about, I'll use everyone's favorite example, Mr. Steve Francis. (I come off as a hater I know, but I'm willing to praise him when he does well. It's hard to praise when he's good performances are so far spread apart from one another. Someone already on this posted his stats since All-Star break and they're none to pretty even for a backup PG.) In the Sonics game he had fast break opportunities where he was called for charging on consecutive possessions early and late in the game. Instead of taking a jump stop knowing his defender is falling backwards on his feet and ready to take a charge if Francis pushes for a layup any further, Francis could of taken a jump stop 10 feet short of the rim and taken a nice chipshot midrange jumpshot that would of been uncontested instead of trying to create something into nothing by running over Antonio Daniels on consecutive fast break opportunities. It's those instances of bad shot selection that I'm referring to. Or the instances where I feel our team settles for too many 3 pointers when we have guys that can just as easily creep in closer to the basket and take a midrange jumper. It's one thing to be able to shoot the 3 and finish strong inside but having that in between game is a crucial and critical part of the game that can keep defenders clueless about when and how our backcourt is going to score.

    Or instances where Yao doesn't dunk when he's close enough to the basket and has a smaller man taking a foul to send him to the FT line. Instead of potentially having a 3 point play by making the bucket and the foul, he settles for 2 FTs that he could potentially miss and in turn get nothing. He's a good FT shooter, but that extra point off finishing strong could be crucial down the stretch in a close game. Or Yao making kickout passes to our guards when he's so close to the basket in the paint he should of shot the ball. He can't pass up good shots when they're available to him. The same way that Francis can't pass up good looks when they're available to him as well even if he is in a season long slump.

    I don't like when our guards don't push the ball up the floor fast enough and get in a set play so they can have enough shot clock time left to consider other alternatives assuming their set play isn't a viable option that typically results in a 24 second violation on our side of the court. It's those small things that bother me because it ruins what few FGA opportunities the Rockets have and gives them less FGA that were good shots.
     
  8. Dallas Rocket

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    There's absolutely no excuse for finding something positive to talk about after yesterday's humiliating performance.

    Please allow me to wallow in unabated depression, anger and frustration........ at least for the moment ;) :rolleyes: :D

    D R

    ** I am schizophrenic and so am I.
     
  9. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    But you said that wasn't a big deal remember? Assist to TO isn't a big deal and the fact that steve has a low A/TO doesn't mean much...
    You basically dedicated an entire thesis on why A/TO isn't a important when I talked about how Steve's A/TO ratio makes him a bad PG.
    I apologize if you didn't mean to say that, but if you didn't can you please tell me what you did mean?
     
  10. Toast

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    Yeah, those 6 more possessions will mean even more once we can actually put the ball in the hole!
     
  11. room4rentsf

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    im glad the turnovers are down too.. and its nice to see something positive once in awhile..

    now the last part of the plan would be to make shots and then we become contenders! =P

    J
     
  12. SmeggySmeg

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    a positive post, great stuff montgo.... pity it will draw minimal interest and fall off the first page quickly..... the damn am talkback radio mentality

    reduced turnover is just another sign they are improving
     
  13. DrNuegebauer

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    I never said turnovers were not a big deal...

    I was saying that A/TO is often quoted as the stat which determines a point guards ability to make good passes - but that in this age of 'scoring pgs' a lot of the TO's come from other areas, making it a poor statistic to quote in support of an argument that a point guard cannot pass because of A/TO ratio...

    If any stat 'makes sense' (I said if) it is steals/TO's because then you can directly correlate the number of possessions a player gains his team compared to the number he loses.
     
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    our pf isnt being aggresive at all, so that is the main reason why the tos are low.
     
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  16. Uprising

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    Yay...a positive post. That just made my night. After the humiliating loss to the Sonics, things have been down. Especially since we have to sit and think about it all the way till wednesday night. I can't wait for our blowout win against the Lakers to bring back the positive mood. (being optimistic)


    I remember a few nights back, I can't remember who it was against. Anyways, in that game we had like 10 less TO's and we scored like 26pts off their TO's and they only had like 12pts....or less.
     
  17. sup123

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    about time the turnovers are down...werent we the worst team in the nba in terms of turnovers before?
     
  18. AggNRox

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    as i said many times, rox, inlcuding sf and yao, is making progress. they are gradually buying the jvg's idea. they are still making mistakes too, for example, fg%. we did have bad shot selection problem, but if you watched the rox games, the majority were wide open shots. we just didn't make those shots for some reasons i dunno. when they figure out how to conque the problem on open shots, they will scare all NBA teams.
     
  19. Rockets2K

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    I actually had noticed that the turnovers were down...in the last week...we haven't had over 11

    Sonics game --11
    Blazers game -- 9
    Cavs game -- 9

    I know it is only 3 games...but it could be the start of a good trend.

    Considering we were averaging 18 towards the beginning of the season...thats not bad.

    now if we could just figure out how to turn those extra possessions into freaking baskets....:eek:
     
  20. arno_ed

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    it is great to see that the TO are less then the were. lets hope they keep this trend.
    thanks montgo for finally a positive post on this board.
     

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