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The earth should be surrounded by extraterrestrial civilizations…

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  1. KingCheetah

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    "What we have done is somewhat of a breakthrough," Haisch told Space.com. "We have pulled together various recent discoveries and theoretical issues that collectively point to the strong probability that we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations."

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    "Where are they?" -- Enrico Fermi

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    Does science make room for aliens?

    Researchers argue that new theories better the odds

    Decades ago, it was physicist Enrico Fermi who pondered the issue of extraterrestrial civilizations with fellow theorists over lunch, generating the famous quip: "Where are they?" That question later became central to debates about the cosmological census count of other star folk and possible extraterrestrial visitors from afar.

    Fermi’s brooding on the topic was later labeled "Fermi’s paradox." It is a well-traveled tale from the 1950s when the scientist broached the subject in discussions with colleagues in Los Alamos, N.M. Thoughts regarding the probability of earthlike planets, the rise of highly advanced civilizations "out there," and interstellar travel — these remain fodder for trying to respond to Fermi’s paradox even today.

    Now scientists note that recent astrophysical discoveries suggest we should find ourselves in the midst of one or more extraterrestrial civilizations. Moreover, they argue it is a mistake to reject all UFO reports because some evidence for the theoretically predicted extraterrestrial visitors might just be found there.

    The researchers make their proposal in the January/February 2005 issue of the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society.

    Curious situation

    Pick up any good science magazine and you’re sure to see the latest in head-scratching ideas about superstring theory, wormholes or the stretching of space-time itself. Meanwhile, extrasolar planetary detection is on the verge of becoming mundane.

    "We are in the curious situation today that our best modern physics and astrophysics theories predict that we should be experiencing extraterrestrial visitation, yet any possible evidence of such lurking in the UFO phenomenon is scoffed at within our scientific community," contends astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.

    Haisch, along with physicists James Deardorff, Bruce Maccabee and Harold Puthoff, make their case in the journal article: "Inflation-Theory Implications for Extraterrestrial Visitation" (PDF document).

    The scientists point to two key discoveries made by Australian astronomers and reported last year that there is a "galactic habitable zone" in our Milky Way Galaxy. And more importantly that Earth’s own star, the sun, is relatively young in comparison to the average star in this zone — by as much as a billion years.

    Therefore, the researchers explain in their article that an average alien civilization would be far more advanced and have long since discovered Earth. Additionally, other research work on the supposition underlying the Big Bang — known as the theory of inflation — shores up the prospect, they advise, that our world is immersed in a much larger extraterrestrial civilization.

    Point-to-point distances

    Given billion-year advanced physics, might not buzzing around the galaxy be possible?

    Even today, superstring theory hypothesizes other dimensions, which could be habitable universes adjacent to our own, the researchers speculate. It might even be possible to get around the speed-of-light limit by moving in and out of these dimensions.

    "What we have done is somewhat of a breakthrough," Haisch told Space.com. "We have pulled together various recent discoveries and theoretical issues that collectively point to the strong probability that we should be in the midst of one or more huge extraterrestrial civilizations."

    Haisch said that superstring dimensions and wormhole and space-time stretching possibilities address the "can't get here from there" objection often argued in view of the interstellar point-to-point distances involved. Also, diffusion models predict that even a single civilization could spread across the galaxy in a tiny fraction of the age of the galaxy — even at sub-light speeds, he said.

    E.T. signature in the data

    Can the scientific community bring itself to consider any evidence coming from mysterious sightings of strange things by the public?

    In large measure, the scientific community seemingly has eyed E.T. visitation as far from being serious stuff to cogitate over. Why so?

    "The dismissal has several causes, all reinforcing each other," Haisch responded. "Most of the observations are probably misinterpretations, delusions and hoaxes. I have seen people get confused by Venus or even Sirius when it is flashing colors low in the sky under the right conditions. Having been turned off by this, most scientists never bother to look any further, and so are simply blissfully ignorant that there may be more to it," he said.

    Deardorff, the lead author of the journal article, points out in a press statement: "It would take some humility for the scientific community to suspend its judgment and take at least some of the high-quality reports seriously enough to investigate … but I hope we can bring ourselves to do that."

    According to Haisch, there is a motivation not just for scientific tolerance of the UFO issue, but a strong scientific prediction that there ought to be some genuine E.T. signature in the data.

    "This potentially changes the relationship of the UFO phenomenon to science in a significant way. It takes away the ‘not invented here’ prejudice, pointing out that a ‘yes’ to E.T. visitation is exactly what side our current physics and astrophysics theories would come down on as the most likely situation," Haisch concluded.

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  2. KingCheetah

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    Maybe they're already here. [​IMG]
     
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    The Ferengi are...
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    I waffle on the idea that we are alone in the universe. On one hand they say how could we be alone given the scope and breadth of the universe. How could we be alone given the genetic variation on this planet alone. I understand that. It makes sense. But I also think to myself, that we may very well be alone, an accident. We could be nothing more than a mutation in a vast system. That is just as likely in my opinion. We could be the first of our kind. We could be last of it as well.

    String theory, would, in my opinion, lend credence to the idea that we are indeed alone. If the strings exist and bind the entire universe, holding it together through vibrations, it would seem to me that this harmonic connection to everything in the universe directly negates the idea that there is something out there we have no knowledge of. Afterall, if we are connected to everything by strings, we would have knoweldge another life form. But we don't.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Phi,

    They have discovered possible life from the Maritian meteorite, I think the universe has life all over it...

    DD
     
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    From the millions of galaxies that we've identified up to this point...from the billions of planets that exist within these galaxies...somewhere, there has to be living organisms.
     
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    C'mon, we all know God just put them there to test us...
     
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    did you see the recent NOVA on string theory? interesting stuff..

    In 1995, string theorists from all over the world gathered at the University of Southern California for their annual conference. Ed Witten showed up at Strings 95 and rocked their world

    Witten's work sparked a breakthrough so revolutionary that it was given it's own name, "M-theory," although no one really knows what the M stands for.

    Before M-theory, strings seemed to operate in a world with 10 dimensions. These included one dimension of time, the three familiar space dimensions, as well as six extra dimensions, curled up so tiny that they're completely invisible.

    But M-theory would go even further, demanding yet another spatial dimension, bringing the grand total to 11 dimensions.

    The extra dimension Witten added allows a string to stretch into something like a membrane, or a "brane" for short. A brane could be three-dimensional or even more. And with enough energy, a brane could grow to an enormous size, perhaps even as large as a universe.

    The existence of giant membranes and extra dimensions would open up a startling new possibility, that our whole universe is living on a membrane, inside a much larger, higher dimensional space.

    It's almost as if we were living inside...a loaf of bread? Our universe might be like a slice of bread, just one slice, in a much larger loaf that physicists sometimes call the "bulk."

    And if these ideas are right, the bulk may have other slices, other universes, that are right next to ours, in effect, "parallel" universes.


    Not only would our universe be nothing special, but we could have a lot of neighbors. Some of them could resemble our universe, they might have matter and planets and, who knows, maybe even beings of a sort.

    Others certainly would be a lot stranger. They might be ruled by completely different laws of physics. Now, all of these other universes would exist within the extra dimensions of M-theory, dimensions that are all around us. Some even say they might be right next to us, less than a millimeter away.



    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3012_elegant.html
     
  9. swilkins

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    Great. Now I'm hungry again. Carbs no less.
     
  10. MadMax

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    I'm fascinanted by this subject. And I think it's entirely possible there are other civilizations out there.

    But this seems a lot like a guess to me.
     
  11. Rocket River

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    I agree
    Also . . . I figure billion year old physics that would
    make it possible for them to get here
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    make it nigh impossible for them to be detected by us
    if they did not want to be detected.

    Much can be said about experience, guile and manipulations
    Just as early settlers manipulated and played upon
    the naivity of more primitive cultures
    creatures millions of years older than us
    could IMO easily manipulate events in our lives
    without us have nary a clue they are doing it. . . . .

    Since i cannot do jack about it
    I don't worry about it .. . .

    Omen River
     
  12. robbie380

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    not trying to sound rude but that doesn't really make sense if u want to make that correlation. if strings do exist they are so insanely small that we wouldn't be able to detect anything from them or at least not with anything with have now.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Ah the old Multiverse theory....

    Love it.

    DD
     
  14. Phreak3

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    For me, the definitive proof of aliens are crop circles :) . I know some of them are man made, but there are a lot that show advanced geometry. There's no way a group of pranksters can get something like this done in one night:



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  15. bamaslammer

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    Proof the Ferengi are already among us:
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    "I hear a giant suckin' sound........."

    Seriously, I imagine that any civilization that survived that long would have to be a peaceful one. Besides, wouldn't the possession of Star Trek-caliber technology be something that only a peaceful, responsible civilization could manage?
     
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    Have you ever read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? The earth gets destroyed because it is blocking an interstellar highway. I think that's how advanced civilizations will view us - like how we view ants.
     
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    I hope not. But hey, we've got Will Smith, Jeff Goldblum and a computer virus. Those alien bastards better not come starting a ruckus........

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  18. Mulder

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    Glad I bought a PowerBook...
     
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    Man, I should read that book before the movie comes out. I had no idea that was the reason for the Earth getting destroyed. How freaking awesome is that? I mean, if we ever found out that we were just insignificant peons to others, how would that make people feel? What would be the effect on religions?


    Personaly, I'm pretty confidant that life exists out there, I just don't view it as naked aliens in flying saucers sneaking around our planet.
     
  20. bamaslammer

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    I always thought those naked aliens gave me the willies. It's just that oompah-loompah vibe.
     

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