Very interesting and fun reading. Scroll down to the link called "The Dark Side". http://www.comedyworld.com/read/loveblanket/?i=57 [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited August 03, 2000).]
With a link named "comedyworld" I can see how serious this is. The organizations that sight the stats are liberal groups who support and give large amounts of money to the democratic party. I think that the communist parties of china give to the Clinton/Gore campaign as well. Or maybe they just sell are technologies to them for a night in the Lincoln bedroom or maybe a neat white house coffee. But it is your right spread the liberal propaganda message to all that can hear. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust
MadMax, I actually ascribe to the notion that political parties should be able to take money from any one that wants to give it to them. I don't think there should be any limits on how much or whom it comes from. It's an interesting idea. On the white nationalists...I can't seem to find the link, I'll keep looking. Concerning the Supreme Court appointments, yes that is serious and probably one of the most important aspects of this election. ------------------
I agree... the Supreme Court nominations are the largest reason to 'get out the vote'. I would hate to think that Dubyah would have the ability to just throw people at the spots, instead of thinking about it. ------------------ Dubyah: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb—I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of—I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas. Jim Lehrer: Florida. Dubyah: Florida. The state of the Florida. —The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, April 27, 2000 Dubyah Speaks.
Achebe, God help us if he's elected and it's a republican congress. There would be no stopping them. ------------------
I think God WOULD help us if that happened. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust
Dennis: I can read newspaper clippings too. I found it interesting that McCain and Forbes filed complaints to the FEC regarding Dubyah's marketing of the mansion in Austin. Before Ronald Reagan massacred the word 'liberal', it had a respectable meaning to it. If you have issues with the facts listed on the site, enumerate your concerns, but do not hide behind a political term. ------------------ Dubyah: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb—I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of—I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas. Jim Lehrer: Florida. Dubyah: Florida. The state of the Florida. —The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, April 27, 2000 Dubyah Speaks.
"I think that the communist parties of china give to the Clinton/Gore campaign as well". Well at least its not coming from special interest groups like the NRA, AMA, PAC America, Christian Coalition, Tobacco, White Nationalists...you get the picture. By the way Dennis, its all in fun. How can intellegent people really take this election serious> [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited August 03, 2000).]
You would rather that American politicians got campaign funding from foreign sources rather than US sources??? Especially communist ones?? Come on!!! I love how we call them "special interests" to demonize them. The NRA and the Christian Coalition in particular are merely groups of individuals expressing a like mind. These aren't some big bad organizations. They're merely regular, everyday Americans who happen to share beliefs different from yourself. Most of the NRA is made up of middle class America. The same could be said of the Chrisitian Coalition. And why in the world would you want to limit their right to contribute to a political party?? It's their first amendment right to do so! I tell you what..as a Republican, I'll be willing to give up all campaign funding from the Christian Coalition if the Democrats would be willing to give up their contributions from the unions (taken from union members and distributed to a democratic nominee involuntarily I might add). The Chinese government has NO first amendment right to using their monies as a campaign contribution in a US election...US citizens, whether organized or not do have that right. And tobacco...this kills me!!! Clinton proposes that we continue to increase the taxes on these products so that funding can go into health research. So then we increase the price of cigarettes, to people Clinton's group say are addicted anyway, and we let them continue to smoke away and kill themselves so that we can fund medical studies on smoking. How ridiculous is this? Come on!! Last I checked, there's a huge warning on the side of the tobacco packages. The user knows the risk going in. No one thinks smoking is good for them, and it hasn't been sold as such since the 1920's....my grandma died of lung cancer but even she admitted that it was ultimately her choice. She used to light up saying, "give me another one of those coffin nails." If you want to make the product illegal..fine...but trying to legislate through the courts (with federally funded lawsuits against the tobacco industry) is absurd. Not to mention a real shady separation of powers problem. Ask Al Gore how valuable tobacco is...his father owned a huge tobacco farm..last I checked, the Gore family still owns it...not sure if they've sold it since it became politically incorrect. I hate smoking..I think it stinks...but who the hell am I to tell someone they can't choose to smoke if they want to??? Tell it to the people of North Carolina who have an economy that is greatly affected by the tobacco industry. By the way..doesn't President Clinton smoke cigars?? Well...maybe he doesn't smoke them. He certainly never inhales! White Nationalists??? Is that an organized group?? please explain, I'm admittedly ignorant as to them One last thought...intelligent people have to take this election seriously because about 3 supreme court nominations hang in the balance. ------------------ [This message has been edited by MadMax (edited August 03, 2000).]
You mean, they could actually get something done, instead of fighting about it???? Remember, we did, for a time, have a Democratic Congress and President at one time, and despite their best efforts, the world didn't fall in. ------------------ Stay Cool...
Good morning Rocket fans… Dennis are you saying God only helps Republicans? Typical Republican hubris [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited August 04, 2000).]
That was not my assumption but it is not the Republicans who want prayer and the 10 commandements out of school. If you read the constitution correctly, it says " Freedom of religion" not freedom from religion. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited August 04, 2000).]
Dennis, Freedom of religion doesn't mean that schools have the right to force christian beliefs on those who are not of that religious group. ------------------ RocketFuel is taking the summer off!
Correct but the government nor the school has the right to say a group of students cannot do it on their own. Yet Students of other religions have the right to exercise their beliefs. I did not say the school would force anything on anybody but a group of students who want to pray by themselves , for themselves is not a violation of the constitution. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust
Dennis, When a Christian prayer is recited over the PA system, that somewhat promotes one religious belief, right? How does a muslim,jew, etc, feel about that? Ten Commandments in school is not promoting a limited religious beleif? Any child can pray in school now. It is not as if the teachers are running around, looking for kids praying, or reading minds and expelling children. Supposedly, the schools cannot advocate one religion over the other, but that is not true. Many public scholls do promote religion and it is Christian. ------------------ Play the Piano Drunk Like a Percussion Instrument Until the Fingers Begin to Bleed a Bit
I don't believe that posting the Ten Commandments violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. That clause simply says that the government shall not establish a religion as the state's religion. Posting the Ten Commandments as general guidelines of morality seems harmless to me. Having said that...I'm really torn on prayer in schools. I'm a Christian and prayer is important to me...but I'm not sure if I want to send my child off to a public school where some teacher, whose ideas about God I may or may not agree with, teaching, leading or instructing as to prayer. ------------------
That is not entirely true. There have been cases where they say no prayer on schools grounds regardless of whether it is organized or not. If a Muslim person wishes to pray 5 times a day on friday and during Ramadan, it does not matter to me because I do not participate. That is his or her right. Why should that same person be offended when I pray? Where is my right to freedom of religion? Does that apply to only non-christian religions? ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited August 04, 2000).]
I guess you've never heard of a little check & balance called "Seperation of Church & State", now have you? ------------------ Bring It!!
Try reading some of this thread before showing your lack of knowledge. A group of students praying by themselves does constitute a "separation of church & state". That particular check and balance refers to the Government establishing a primary religion not limiting an individual's right to practice a religion. The Senate session starts with a prayer from a priest before they begin. Does that violate the "separation of church and state"? Remember it is "Freedom of Religion" not Freedom FROM Religion. ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited August 04, 2000).]
Ummmmmmm, yeah. Just like a group of students smoking a joint constitutes a 4-H club! ------------------ Bring It!!
