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The Dallas Game, Our Offense, What We Need and Our Chances at the Play-Offs

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Feb 22, 2003.

  1. crash5179

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    The Dallas Game

    We had our opportunities last night. We missed 7 free throws, Eddie lost a sure 2 points and a dunk when he lost a Steve Francis pass under the basket with no one around him. Yao Ming never came out of the post to guard Bradley on those 18 foot jumpers he was making and he did not adjust to the style of play the Dallas defenders were throwing at him until the second half. We finished to first quarter ahead by seven but we should have been up by 10 or more.

    On top of all of that their bench out played our bench by a lot which rarely happens. After a great defensive 1st quarter where we had several steals Dallas only finished the game with 9 turnovers which means they basically played flawless the rest of the way.

    What could we have done better? It’s hard to say. The first thing that comes to mind is to play more physical but how do you play more physical with a team when they are killing you with jump shots? Dallas was not killing Houston by taking the ball to the rack they were killing us with jump shots and most of them were contested jump shots that were still going down.

    We were having a hard time making an open jump shot last night. Even though Steve, Cat and Posey all had good shooting percentages last night due to driving the ball to the basket and what happened in the 1st quarter, they all missed a lot of open jumpers. Every player on the team missed a bunch of open jumpers last night MoT, Glenn and Yao are also guilty of missing open jumpers.

    When the jumpers are not falling then you must go to the post, which Houston did last night, but when Yao Ming went out at the end of the 3rd quarter we were only down by 7 (before Nick hit the last second end of quarter 3). Unfortunately we could not get any low post scoring from any one else and the Mav’s pulled away with Yao Ming on the bench. When Yao Ming came back we began to close the gap again but when the Mavs have close to a 20 lead with just a little over 5 minutes to go no one is going to catch them. They are just way too good offensively.



    Progress in our Offense During the Last 11 Games


    Overall I have no problem with Rudy T’s game plan (which I still think was excellent) or the way in which the Rockets carried it out (which once again I thought was excellent). Yao Ming adapted in the second half but the team was just not able to keep up when they are not hitting their jumpers and Dirk, Bradley, Nash and Nick are going off from the outside. I loved the way Houston moved the ball last night just not the way they finished (with balls clanking off of the back of the iron).

    I’ll even take it a step farther and say that I think this team is making some real progress in the offense during the last 11 games even though our record does not indicate it. With the exception of Miami and Cleveland it looks to me like the helter skelter one on one play by Steve and Cat has been ratcheted back to almost nothing. During most of the last 11 games I have not seen the selfish play that has defined this team over the last few years. The post (Yao Ming, MoT and Griffin) have all been made a huge part of Houston’s offense by Steve and Cat.

    Yao Ming is learning what it is like to be the go to guy at times. Just look at the LAL game the other night, he was the man and when he fouled out in O.T. it sealed our fate. He is starting to respond to the physical play like last night when he adjusted his game from the first half and came back in the second half with a very good game. Steve is trusting him more and more. Earlier in the season when Yao Ming would start off slowly then Steve would all but ignore him on the offensive end. Now Steve keeps Yao Ming involved even if the first few shots do not fall. I think that is a sign of maturity in Steve.


    What the Rockets Need


    In my opinion this team does not require a major overhaul, a coaching change or any kind of serious off-season restructuring. While I would still make an Eddie Griffin for Elton Brand trade I am more than happy to keep him as I think he will still be a very good Power Forward in this league in another year or two. The only thing I can see that this team is missing is a consistent outside shooter that can stretch defenses and can make them pay for doubling down in the post. Glen Rice was suppose to be that person this year but age and health has limited his time and effectiveness. But when the outside shot has been dropping it has certainly made a major difference with our offense. Perhaps going after Eric Piatkowski or Brent Barry in the off-season would help. Maybe we already have someone in Bostjan Nachbar that will be able to fill this role next year.

    The Play-Offs this Year?

    Our team should struggle against stronger teams as well as have some success against them at times (which they have). Having said that Houston played very well on the road against both LA and Phoenix last week and now they have a chance to start putting their intensity problems with the weaker teams in the league behind them tonight which I think they will do since every game from here on out is a play-off game for them. I never expected them to beat Dallas last night because Dallas is just a better and more experienced team right now and on top of that they are hot. Memphis at home on the other hand is another story. I believe Houston will beat Memphis and I think they will play well on the road trip coming up. We are one and a half games behind Phoenix and we are up 2 games to 1 in a tiebreaker. A quick look at Phoenix’s record will show that their schedule from here on out is no cakewalk.

    Phoenix’s Tough Road Games:
    Minnesota
    Milwaukee
    San Antonio
    Houston
    Dallas
    Detroit
    Indiana
    LA Lakers
    Portland

    Phoenix’s Tough Home Games:
    New Orleans
    Portland
    Minnesota
    Sacramento
    Utah
    Minnesota
    Dallas
    San Antonio

    OUCH! That is 17 of their last 27 gams and I did not even include Toronto, which beat them last night. Also their last two games of the season are on the road. Call me crazy but I like our chances since we are only a game and a half behind.

    Here is what I consider Houston’s Tough Road Games:
    Boston
    Detroit
    Portland
    Sacramento
    San Antonio
    Milwaukee
    Philadelphia
    Utah

    Houston’s Tough Home Games:
    San Antonio
    New Jersey
    Phoenix
    LA Lakers
    Portland

    That is 13 of the finale 28 games. I did not include the road or home game against the Clippers, which I probably could have since they have given us a lot of problems over the last couple of years. Call me crazy but I like our schedule quite a bit more than the Phoenix schedule.

    I think we have a chance to pick up some games between now and March 16th. My prediction for the next 11 games is 8 and 3. Maybe I spent too much time in the sauce last night but I think this team has improved over the last 11 games and I think we will see it from here on out. If Shaq stays healthy then the last play-off seat is a race between us and Phoenix and I like our chances.
     
  2. alaskansnowman

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    Very well thought-out post Crash... echoes my sentiments exactly.

    This is a much more real, more objective approach than the "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" outburst.

    Our offense IS improving... Yao is playing the most physical basketball I've seen from him all year long. I think Yao's physical play is one of the big reasons why our offense is improving. You can't have the whole inside-outside, ball movement game plan working, unless your inside presence has established itself, and Yao is doing a much better job of establishing himself now.

    We missed shots that we SHOULD make in the Dallas game, and basically had bad luck with all the rim outs (4 rebounds, 4 layups rim out in a single possession) and all. I didn't expect to beat Dallas... as absurd as it may sound, the real test for this team will come against the Grizzlies. They must prove they can beat the weaker teams, or it's all over.
     
  3. RIET

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    Chemistry only plays so much into the equation. Utah has two 40 year old players whose chemistry helps offset their diminishing skills. Utah is also 1st round fodder.

    Once the Rockets develop chemistry, how would we fare?
    Instead of borderline playoffs, we'd be around a 4th or 5th seed at best.

    We aren't just missing a Piatkowsi. We need 1 more really good player. A legitimate borderline NBA All-Star.

    If you look at the real contenders, they are either loaded (Dallas & Sacramento) or have one (or two) of the Top 3 players in the league (LA & San Antonio).

    Sacramento's backup PG is Bobby Jackson. Dallas has Nick Van Exel. We have Moochie Norris.

    Chemistry will make us better and so will EG's development. However, to be a legitimate playoff threat, we need another serious scoring threat or Francis and Yao have to get to the elite level.

    At this stage, neither are ready for that.

    During the offseason, we should trade Rice's expiring contract (a valuable commodity) and paray it into a player with a "bad" contract.

    This will be the only way we can add to our pieces without having to subtract an important member of our existing team.
     
  4. LiTtLeY1521

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    Hey...The Dallas Mavericks are the best team in the NBA. They are just way better than us. We made some mistakes and missed some free throws...but we always miss free throws!!! Even Glen Rice missed a free throw.

    Our team is way too inconsistent...our guards are usually OK. Just sometimes they have a minor slump...like Mobley. And sometimes one is injured. BUT MOOCHIE JUST SCREWED IT ALL UP. Man...usually he is just OK. He's not that great. He just plays for a while. On Wednesday against the Pheonix Suns, he was awesome!!! And the next game...he had like 2 points and 1 assist and 3 fouls. :( I wish we could have a good backup point guard like Nick Van Exel. But do you know how much he makes?

    Someone who could be great on our team is BRENT BARRY!!! He is awesome. I'm sure he can shoot and yesterday, he had SIXTEEN ASSISTS in his first game as point guard. :) He would be great for our team. And he could be our point guard as well. But to get him, would we need to give up Mobley? Maybe Bostjan Nachbar is a really good shooter...we also have Terence Morris...but they don't pass to him enough.

    I love Eddie Griffin and Yao Ming. But our forwards are just too inconsistent. Yao Ming is usually great when he actually receives the ball. Sometimes he has trouble..occasionally. BUT OUR FORWARDS...they have talent...but are too inconsistent as well. Glen Rice...7-8 from the 3 point line one game...then 0-3 the next game. James Posey...sometimes he looks wonderful and fabulous. But other games, he gets in foul trouble very early and doesn't play...Terence Morris. I like him. But now he doesn't get any playing time. He could actually shoot...Bostjan Nachbar...injured list now. Eddie Griffin...sometimes has a big game. He has been getting many double-doubles recently. And he has been making his 3's too. But also too inconsistent and cannot guard the taller and bigger power forwards...but he does defend better than Mo Taylor. Mo Taylor has been awesome and has scored in double digits like the last 5 games. But yesterday, he was OFF badly...0-6. Maybe because he twisted ankle. I hope he plays well tonight.

    WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM. It is awesome to watch them whoop good teams unexpectedly, but it is horribly painful to watch them lose to losing teams. They are just too inconsistent.

    I would like the Rockets to sign a fairly all and big shooter who can also defend multiple positions. And I would also like a power forward who is strong and aggressive and a good defender...I wish!!!

    PLAYOFFS...The Rockets can make it!!! Pheonix could drop out. The Lakers are winning. But the Suns are down...the Rockets could make it!!! They just have to win the next couple of fairly easy games.
     
  5. Drewdog

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    Excellent post Crash.

    From watching last nights game from the 3rd row behind the Rox bench (please see my thread), I could clearly see some BIG differences in our team.

    1. Yao Ming is playing much more physical. Dude was getting hammered last night - refs were horrible IMO.

    2. We are starting to "get it". I could see the team jelling and trusting each other more - just playing a more cohesive game. Even though we were losing, the team never gave up this game (until garbage time) and played HARD.

    3. I think we are headed in the right direction. Beating the Mavs is no easy task these days..... Their CORE unit (Nash, Nowitzki, Finley) have been playing together for 3+ years.

    Time will tell, but I like what I see if we can keep that same focus.

    As a closing thought, firing Rudy T is not the answer.
     
  6. LiTtLeY1521

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    Was everyone worried when Mo Taylor and Eddie Griffin were laying on the floor last night?
     
  7. RIET

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    What does this have to do with the topic.

    :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  8. LiTtLeY1521

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    Oh yeah. I am positive that the Rockets can make the playoffs. But what's the point? They'll just be swept by the Mavericks..:(
     
  9. alaskansnowman

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    Good playoff experience?

    No young team will make it very far when it first makes the playoffs... it takes a couple years of losing in the playoffs to finally win it all.
     
  10. LiTtLeY1521

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    I know...but still. There is no way we can beat them. :( I just hope the Rockets can beat the Grizzlies tonight.
     
  11. Sane

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    I have faith in this team to make the playoffs for one reason only. It's because they are infuriatingly inconsistent, and they've been this way since day 1. they have yet to put together a nice winning streak, but have pout together a bunch of memorable losing streaks. At some point, statistics say that, because our team DOES in fact posses talent, our results will skew the other way.

    I love the Rockets. There is not one Houston Rockets that I hate. The onle player I didn't like as much as any other Rocket was Kenny Thomas, but still, he was a Rockets, and I'd defend him against other teams' players. But I'm not blind. Don't be fooled. This team is structurally FLAWED. Here's why:

    Yao Ming & Steve Francis:

    These are the Franchise players. There's no doubting we want these guys on our team. Why? Because, Yao Ming will be the uncontested #2 C in the league next year, and will be #1 the following year. When you have someone who will always be in the top 3 @ his position, he's a keeper. Same goes for Stevie. Everyone, including himself and the coach, have come to the conclusion that he would "love to play the 2". Although he will never actually play the 2, because he will dominate the ball regardless of position, I think that we will bring a PG to play alongside him, which will render him more effective. Someone like Brent Barry (16pts, 11asst last night :eek: ) or Jamaal Crawford (what he's projected to become). There aren't a lot of these players in the league so an Eric Snow or Andre Miller (without a MAX contract) would also fit in well. Point being, we have 2 keepers, and they will consistently keep this team competitive, regardless of role players.

    Eddie Griffin:

    To Be Determined. We can judge this guy once he can PHYSICALLY do what he's trying to do. It's like, he wants to open a can without a can opener. We can't judge him until he gets that can opener (strength/bulk). If you ask me though, once he is told to cut back on the 3's, and actually bulks up, this guy is great for the team. He's a very good shotblocker, and once he bulks up, will be a good defender too. A combination of length and quickness (relative to other PF's) will make him a good man-to-man defender. Aside from that, he doesn't demand the ball and works hard for rebounds. There are better compliments to Yao Ming, no doubt, but he will certainly be adequate.



    Cuttino Mobley:

    This guy's a great player. Brings it every night, leaves it all on the floor. Good shooter, great man-to-man offensive player. Adjusts to anything he's told. But the cold, hard truth remains: Cuttino Mobley is NOT an off-the-ball player, and this team needs all 3 role players in the starting line-up to be able and willing to play off the ball. My suggestion is this: If we can acquire another Guard without trading Mobley, then great, because he'd be AMAZING leading our second unit. But we don't have the personnel to make that kind of trade without Cat. At least I don't think so.

    James Posey:

    Great role player, ONLY if he's told that he's NOT allowed to take jumpers. Posey's most effective when he's running on the fastbreak, when he cuts to the basket and gets the ball from Yao Ming, and scores off putbacks. He should NEVER EVER take jumpers. When he tries to score in the ways I mentioned, and he adds rebounding, tough D, steals, and some hard-nosed play, he's super effective for us at the 3. Of coruse, if he asks for more than a starting salary of 4M, let him walk. T-Mo can do just as much @ a much lower salary.

    Bench:

    Cato is brilliant. Unless we get a starter, we shouldn't move this guy. He leads the league in rebounding efficiency. How many people have that kind of guy on their bench? MoT is a good player, and I do believe he should be starting while Eddie develops, but he makes WAY WAY too much for what he brings. Eddie will eventually overtake him anyway, so we should try and get a short-contract veteran for him from a team looking to get younger. Same goes for Moochie. He does well, but he has a lot of flaws for one of the highest paid backup PG's in the league. He's good for fan support, but he's not great for the team. I'd move him also for a smaller contract veteran. Boki, we still don't know, but hopefully, he's next year's pick. He'll be more fit (physically) and will have experience with NBA life, which will help him make a more immediate impact early in the season.

    Terrence Morris:

    I wanted to dedicate a section to this guy to show how much I think of him. his guy, IMO, worked INCREDIBLY hard over the offseason. He improved his shot tremendously, and he looks mroe comfortable when out there. He's got confidence, and that makes a big difference. he does a lot fo what J-Po should do (putbacks, defense, long rebounds) but he also brings shotblocking, height, and a better jumper. If this guys adds a 3-pt shot top his repertoire (sp?) over the summer, I'd seriously consider him as the starter over Rice, Posey, and Boki. He brings so much, and works like a horse. I just love what he brings, and I think he'd be a BIG upgrade (if he adds the 3-pt shot) with a contract which would be WELL below his value.


    Thoughts on any of this? (Assuming you had time to read it, lol ):D
     
  12. montelwilliams

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    The Mavs are naturally superior to the Rox. The only way to beat the Mavs is if the Rox are playing the best game of their lives, while the Mavs are playing their worst game. If the two teams are playing at the same level, then the Mavs will win.
     
  13. LiTtLeY1521

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    I read your entire post, and you are absolutely right.

    Yao will be one of the top 3 centers in the NBA. He is already one of the best. He is going to be even better. And Francis...well we have him. We aren't going to get rid of him. He is very good..but is getting older. It would be nice to get Brent Barry...who I think had SIXTEEN ASSISTS. They could be interchangeable. But I also want to keep Mobley. Mobley is pretty consistent. He just had some problems. But it seems like he is returning to his normal self. He is cheap...and dedicated. But we need some good backups...someone who is almost as good as Bobby Jackson or Nick Van Exel. I WOULD LOVE BRENT BARRY. But Jamaal Crawford? No...he complains about playing time too much.

    Eddie..he is great, but I don't think he can ever become bulky. It's like genetics or something. There is no way he can become strong and built like Amare. But he is a good player as well...can only get better. :)

    Cato has been doing wonderful...but he is getting less and less playing time. :( Mo Taylor is awesome. He has good offensive skills. And his defense is not terrible. He is just too short. And he makes way too much money...I would like the Rockets to acquire one a good power forward.

    Terence Morris has been great. But he is not as energetic or fast as Posey. And Terence Morris can already shoot 3's. He can shoot well. But he doesn't get any playing time. :( There's already Posey and Rice. Only when they are injured...or one of our power forwards are injured. BY THE WAY...I was wondering...what was Rudy thinking when he put Glen Rice on Dirk Nowitzki? I wish Terence Morris could play more. He is a good shooter...and pretty athletic. He is also cheap.

    WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM. But we don't have anybody who is incredible like Dirk Nowitzki or Steve Nash or Michael Finley or Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady. They are just special.

    I think our team just needs more time to develop and find their strengths. But it would be nice to have a couple of additions.
     
  14. crash5179

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    If for no other reason than I love this team and I want to see them play at least another 4 games!

    Besides a four game series with the Mavericks would be a great learning experience and tasting the play-offs, even if it means a 4 game sweep, will make them much more prepared next year.

    Besides are you really ready to concede that miracles don't happen?

    Where were you when Moses Malone led the Rockets to the finals in 1980?

    Remember when the Rockets were still suppose to be a couple of years away and Sampson hit the miracle last second shot in LA?

    Have you forgotten about facing elimination games against Phoenix and NYC before winning the 94 championship?

    Maybe you don't remember winning it again the next year after being the 7th seed in the play-offs?

    There is no such thing as a wasted play-off experience. Just making the play-offs alone makes this year successful.
     
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    I meant 7 game series
     
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    Great post Crash.

    I just want to add that we need some luck in the health department during this stretch run. We need Francis to be healthy - it was obvious to me in the Lakers game that something was Physically or psychologilly wrong with Steve (which was later confirmed to be a Physical issue).
     
  17. The Real Shady

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    I'm with you crash on the rockets just trying to acquire a shooter in the offseason baring a player of Brands ability becomes available. Piatkowski and Barry would both be ideal pickups.

    Since Seattle acquired Ray Allen it would seem like Barry would not be needed next year but Barry just went off for 16 assists last night playing the point. Not to shabby.
     
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    Sane,
    I disagree about Eddie’s 3pt shooting. I like to see him take the occasional 3 point shot since he hits about 35% of them which is pretty good. I think he has scaled back a lot in 3pt shooting this year. Remember last year he was going for 100 3pt makes and 100 blocks? Well this year he is not even close to making 100 3pts shots and he is shooting a better percentage from that range than last year.

    Personally I would love to see the Rockets acquire someone to else for the backcourt. If we got Andre Miller then I would like to see Cat coming off of the bench in the role he performed so well a couple of years ago. If we got either Eric Piatkowski or Brent Barry then they could come off of the bench. Either way something like that would upgrade our offense in slightly different ways IMO.

    I have been really down on Posey for most of the last 10 games but I could definitely see him turning into a Ron Artest type of player…or a Shandon Anderson type with a little more aggression. I will just have to watch him the rest of the season before I make my mind up on him.

    I think Cato is gone this summer. With Yao Ming improving and getting more and more minutes as the season goes on Cato’s services are going to be less and less needed. I think Collier could be OK for 8 to 10 minutes a game and he is much cheaper plus he is just a much better fit at power forward if he is needed there than Cato is. The Clipps are almost definitely going to lose Kandi this summer so might they be interested in Cato for possibly Miller? Andre Miller is not going to get the max from anyone this summer, his play this year just does not warrant it although he will probably still get a very healthy raise. Perhaps Seattle would be willing to part with Barry in exchange for Cato? Regardless I just think Cato would be much more valuable to us in a trade this summer than being a super sub center for 10 minutes a game.

    I agree with you so completely about TMo. Just imagine if he improves in the coming off-season as he did this past off-season.
     
  19. New Jack

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    I agree as well that this team needs spot up shooters in the worst way. Not just one, but 2 or 3 more. Yao is great at finding the open shooter. Francis, Mobley, Posey, and Moochie are all very good at penetrating and dishing out to the open shooter. This team can get wide open shots all game long, but as long as the players taking the outside shots can't hit, it does no good.
     
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    You think the Sonics might be interested in a 6'11" 270 lb athletic big man that is still fairly young, can run the floor, rebound, play defense with attitude and bend the rim when he dunks?

    With Yao Mings minutes increasing I could see Cato moved in the off-season for another peice to the puzzle.
     

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