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The Case of Spencer Hawes

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by redrush, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. Htownballer38

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    Im sticking with T. Jones. All we need is a veteran back up Center, another SG and a pick for Asik. Why mess up a good thing when it's working or fix something that's not broken.
     
  2. Nero

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    Anyone hear how Camby is coming along?

    Seems to me the only real risk is trading away Asik and then (Heaven forbid) something happens to Howard, and then this team is screwed. But if Camby is able to come back, that gives us the insurance we need to just trade Asik for picks, such as Philly's #1, instead of trying to steal their current players.

    Plus, I am beginning to doubt that we would be able to trade for a 4 who will give us better performance AND chemistry with Howard than we already have in Jones.
     
  3. pwnyxpress

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    I'm for the Hawes deal as I find Young a bit redundant while Hawes adds new dimensions to our lineups as either a 4 next to Howard or a backup 5 (or more likely, as both). His contract ends this season so I find that as a convenient plus as he's just a limited time liability. Our two glaring holes (once Asik is gone) is backup C and perimeter defense. We aren't going to get some perimeter defensive specialist, imo, because you can't just insert them into the lineup and take out one of our current tools. Harden or Parsons? Why would we remove them for a better wing defender to the point that it is worth getting one JUST for that role?

    As much as we need perimeter defense, I just don't see the obvious fix. Easier to have Parsons and Harden just play wing D more and hope for the best. I will admit though that Thad Young is a fair suggestion there since he could switch w/ Parsons to the 3 and Parsons to the 4 in certain matchups, but just seems to make TJones a bit redundant...which is a shame seeing as how great he's doing now, able to knock down the 3 and rebound and block like crazy.
     
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Dominate pump fakes.
     
  5. Alvin Choo

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    Always liked him. Solid player, improve defensively and another 3 point shooter.
    Not to mention, although he have been in the league for 7 years now, he is only 25.
    But his on a contract year, which might be the main reason of the spike of numbers.

    Anyway, having him might deter Mchale playing so many small ball.
     
  6. photojoe

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    As soon as I saw this, I stopped reading the rest of the post.
     
  7. D12 fan

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    Guys you realize that Hawes is playing great is because he is in his contract year?

    Never trade for a Guy in his contract year, they are playing for their money, of won't be great for team chemistry.
     
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    No, not entirely.

    Hawes has taken his offensive game and his shooting to another level. He won't go backwards on his stroke unless he has a significant injury or ages to the point where his whole game deteriorates.

    What you mainly have to worry about with signing guys to long-term contracts is are they going to put in defensive effort, rebound, and generally play hard?? Hawes skill set is such that even if he doesn't play hard he's still gonna be able to line up shots and knock them down. You might see some deterioration in his rebounding if he becomes complacent.

    However from what I know and have observed about Hawes is that he is a gym rat and loves the game. I think he'd make a fantastic rotation big. I think he'd be a great fit here AS LONG AS Jones is still here and Jones continues to bring the defense when Dwight isn't on the court.

    A big man trio of Dwight/Jones/Hawes fits together very nicely with their different skill sets. Very nicely. Hawes could play with either of the other two guys. The key to that combination is can Jones continue to play stellar D over the long-term when Dwight is not on the court? He is currently showing he can be very effective with the second unit when Dwight is on the bench. I'm not quite convinced it's enough D and boards but I'd sure give it a try.

    What if....Hawes could be acquired for DMo???
     
  9. Matt78777

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    Is Hawes really that much slower than Asik?

    If he could play next to Dwight for a few minutes I think he could be a very interesting option. I envision him subbing in for Dwight and hitting threes as a trailer in a lineup that scores a whole bunch and hopefully is at least mediocre defensively. Howard then checks back in as power forward. It has the potential to work better than Asik/Howard offensively since Hawes can shoot, but probably not quite as good defensively.

    Also doesn't hurt to have a backup center who can hit free throws.
     
  10. LosPollosHermanos

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    Thompson is better
     
  11. pwnyxpress

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    Lebron James is better.
     
  12. redrush

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    I did clearified myself after the post you saw.

    And let me ask you this who do you have above Asik in terms of catch and rebound put back. Which of the leagues centers has a higher efficiency in the paint? I am not talking about Aldridge, Al Jef, Chris Bosh who likes to post up and finish with a jumper; I am talking about centers who make his living offensively in the paint. I have Roy hibbert, Bogut, Dwight Howard and Perkovic ranked ahead of Omer and if you want to make the case for Kanter and Drummond would be too soon at this point. Last year Omer Asik average double double all season, grabbing 11 rebounds a game and score just over 10 per game with a fg% of .541. Which means there are plenty of games he shoot over 600 and even close to the 700 mark. Not to mention Omer Asik grabs 3.4 offensive rebound a game, that is .1 over Howard's season average in 2012-2013. With that said, given his playing style which almost every single one of his shot comes in the paint, only the 4 I mentioned truly makes the comparison. Omer out perform Perkins in a similar role for the OKC.

    With all of the above, Omer is a top defender that comes with a reasonable price. Even Pekovic command a 5 yrs $60 mil contract and that's not including incentives. Omer would be a bargain if he can put up similar numbers for the 76ers.
     
  13. hizzobbes

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    Pelton wrote an article today on likely trade targets, here's what he had to say about Hawes:

    This brings up the question again, is Asik even what they want? They'd probably be more interested in picks/expiring contracts to help their rebuild. It is possible that Asik is a better asset which they might go for... but who knows.

    Full article is insider, so I'll put it in a spoiler:

     
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    While Lin is on the team, Hawes would certainly work as a backup, either move away and give Lin a no C driving lane or let Hawes shoot threes while 15 feet open.
     
  16. Haymitch

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    Random trade scenario from Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia:

     
  17. Raven

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    Put down the pipe, Sixers' fans.
     
  18. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
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    Asik>Hawes....so I see no reason Rockets also send a 1st round pick to Sixers.
     
  19. baller4life315

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    Once again, it all depends on the price...

    In this case, I would not give up a future first rounder for Hawes.
     
  20. Nero

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    Man it must suck to be a Sixers fan.
     

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