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The Battle of the Accents is on!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mrpaige, Aug 6, 2003.

  1. mrpaige

    mrpaige Member

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    Both Arianna Huffington and Arnold Schwartzenegger have announced they will run for California Governor in the recall election.
     
  2. Deckard

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    Wow.
    I hope they have a one on one debate. I'd consider paying to watch that. :eek:
     
  3. Zion

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    I love her accent. If i could vote, i'd vote for her just so i could hear her talk.
     
  4. mc mark

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    â vônt to be gôvnâ ôv câleefornâ
     
  5. bamaslammer

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    All I have to say is.......Hasta la vista, Gray Davis! :D
     
  6. JPM0016

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    i want Arnold to lose for 1 reason,

    True Lies 2, that's one movie that deserves a sequel
     
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    Seriously, this is all really going to suck. One way or another, someone without much or any experience in government is going to win the election, further blurring the line between "entertainer" and "politician." I'm hoping the voters of California will be savvy enough not to vote for someone merely on the basis of name recognition; otherwise, it won't be very long before we have run-off elections between Larry Flynt and Gary Coleman! (Oh, wait, that could happen ...)

    The precedent being set here is awful. Basically, anyone with enough money can spread around petitions to recall whoever they don't like from office. That means the election itself means nothing, and politicians will be even more in perpetual campaign mode. A similar development is that stupid gerrymandering bill the Texas Republican state congressmen are trying to force through. I.e., if you don't like the result of a vote you lost, who cares. Just keep insisting and hounding until you get your way, and if you have a lot of money, more power to you.
     
  9. Deckard

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    Great post, Stickfigure... all kidding aside.
     
  10. arkoe

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    I want to see Pamela Anderson toss her hat into the ring. Her as govenor of California would be AWESOME. And turn the US into an even bigger laughing stock.
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    Let's see...we now have one pornographer, one p*rn star, one pinup queen, one action movie star, one former child TV star, and one political columnist running for Governor of California.

    I believe there is one thing Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives across this BBS and across the country can agree on.

    CALIFORNIA IS THE MOST F*CKED UP STATE IN THE UNION!!!!

    And I'm damn happy I don't live there anymore!
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Don't forget the energy crisis they had, the homeless people running around all over, the ridiculous cost of living, the protestors holding up traffic for hours, etc.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    So who were the idiots who passed this law anyways?

    But I can't help but wonder what people would be saying if it was a Republican governor. A bunch of BS about the "purity" of this democratic process, I bet.
     
  14. arkoe

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    Don't forget that Jesse "The Body" Ventura has been Governor of Minnesota for several years now.
     
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    Ahnold intrigues me as a politician - socially liberal, fiscally conservative, favors a strong national defense. I'm not willing to condemn him as a joke or somehow unworthy as a candidate just yet.
     
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    Republicans hope to reclaim California permanently through a recall vote, but they're dreaming.

    By Harold Meyerson
    Web Exclusive: 7.31.03
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    LOS ANGELES -- The Republicans here are performing a ghost dance, hoping that through the magic of the pending recall election, the buffalo will again roam the plains and the GOP will regain its status as a player in California politics.

    They're dreaming. While it is possible that Gray Davis could be recalled and a Republican installed in the statehouse until 2006, there are profound and irreversible reasons why the California of Richard Nixon, Howard Jarvis and Ronald Reagan has vanished, and why California has become just about the most solidly Democratic state in the nation.

    Still, Republicans who attended the recall rally outside the state capitol last Saturday could be forgiven if they thought they were reliving the glory days of 1978, when a right-wing popular upsurge led to the enactment of Jarvis' anti-tax, anti-spending Proposition 13. Radio talk show hosts were hyping the recall as their forbearers had hyped Jarvis' initiative. Three far-right party leaders who plan to run in October -- Rep. Darrell Issa, state Sen. Tom McClintock and defeated GOP gubernatorial nominee Bill Simon -- proclaimed their vision for the state and sounded for all the world like Barry Goldwater's Orange County zealots circa 1964.

    But the state they were both addressing and evoking no longer exists. In the wake of aerospace's post-Cold War collapse in the '90s, some 2 million Californians -- disproportionately white and defense workers -- left the state, even as California experienced massive migration from Latin America and Asia. Los Angeles County, home to 30 percent of Californians, went from being marginally Democratic (Michael Dukakis won 52 percent of the LA vote in 1988) to overwhelmingly so (Al Gore pulled down 64 percent in 2000).

    The only way Republicans can even come close in California is if the new Latino voters stay away from the polls -- which, the GOP hopes, is exactly what they'll do in the recall. In 2000 Latinos constituted 15 percent of voting Californians, but last November, confronted with Gray Davis's abysmal reelection campaign, their share of the electorate declined to a scant 10 percent. Even so, Davis eked out a five-point victory over Bill Simon, and Simon won the votes of an anemic 24 percent of those Latinos who did turn out.

    On Saturday, as Republicans encircled the capitol, the new California convened in Echo Park in downtown Los Angeles. The almost entirely immigrant janitors' local of the Service Employees International Union had scheduled a rally in its campaign to organize security guards -- which meant that the shock troops of labor's get-out-the-vote campaigns in Latino LA, probably the best Democratic such operation anywhere in the land, had assembled.

    Shiny and stiff in a button-down plaid work shirt, Gray Davis came before them and asked for their votes. In his very first line, Davis pledged to sign a bill now working its way through the legislature that would enable illegal immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses. Davis had vetoed such a bill last year -- one reason why Latino turnout was so light -- but for now at least, he believes that surviving the recall means boosting Latino and black turnout. Over the past year the immigrant driver's license bill has been every bit the cause celebre on Spanish-language radio talk shows that the recall has been on their English-language counterparts.

    But turning out the Democratic base will be no easy chore, and even the unions are encountering stalwarts who say they've walked their last precinct for Davis. "We don't have the greatest governor since Pat Brown here," one prominent union leader says. "This has to be about the rotten process here, not about Gray. If it's about Gray, we lose."

    Some of the major unions that provide mega-funding for Democratic campaigns are not foreclosing their options just yet, particularly if a moderate Republican such as Arnold Schwarzenegger or Richard Riordan enters the race. Their private polling shows that the chances of a Davis victory are slim, but pulling the plug on Gray -- announcing, say, that they'll back a candidacy of a Dianne Feinstein or a Leon Panetta -- has risks of its own. It not only makes Davis' survival even less likely but means that if and when the budget reaches his desk, Davis will be wielding his line-item-veto pen just as unions and other leading Democratic players have to decide whether to stick with Gray or abandon ship. And Davis' most recognizably human quality, alas, is his wrath.

    "When do you think he's going to get around to the [line item vetoes]?" one Democratic consultant asks. "Tomorrow? No way. It's the only leverage he has over his own troops." So with precious little time left (the filing deadline is Aug. 9), Democrats perform the Hesitation Waltz.

    Everything here is in motion right now. California is rocking, and it may just fall into the sea.

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  17. bamaslammer

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    No arguments there, Rocketman Tex. They don't call it the land of fruits and nuts for nothing.
     
  18. Achebe

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    Someone on NPR said that there will be 400-500 people on the ballot. :eek:

    Arnold is only famous b/c he went for shrinkey dink as a child. His entire aura is based on his having cheated as a bodybuilder by using roids. And in what way does it matter if the governor of California 'favors a strong national defense'. How exactly is Arnold going to further that effort? Star in more action movies?

    I can see the perfect Republican candidate now: cheats on his wife, used steroids to get to where he is now, got a DUI as a 'young' 30 year old, starred in action movies.
     
  19. Buck Turgidson

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    No 'heb, what you've got in Ahnold is pretty much a classic conservative: in favor of individual freedoms (pro-gay rights, pro-choice, pro-liberalization of drug laws, etc...), in favor of smaller government, free trade/markets & fiscal sanity (novel concepts in many Republican circles these days I know). All of which I agree with to one extent or another. My point about national defense was that, as governor of CA and especially considering his profile, he will have an extremely influential platform to shape public debate throughout the country, on that and other issues not confined to California. I frankly don't give a damn what mistakes he's made in his personal life, just like I didn't care that Clinton hit the reefer & cheated on his wife (I just wish he'd had the balls to not lie about it) or that Bush was a drunk when he was younger. God knows I've made plenty of mistakes in my personal life, as I'd venture to guess you have as well.

    This is not directed solely at you, but it seems that, no matter what a politician or public figure believes, there are those who will immediately attack them once they have been labeled as Republicans. The behavior of much of the Left these days, with relation to the President & Republicans in general, is a mirror image of the behavior of much of the Right during the Clinton administration - it is now, as it was then, counterproductive to effecting actual meaningful change, petty and pretty much ridiculous. But hey, it makes for good sound bites so by all means keep it up.
     
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    Actually, he's not anymore. He didn't run for re-election. Tim Pawlenty is governor of Minnesota now.
     

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