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The all-encompassing Carlos Correa thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by J.R., Apr 6, 2016.

  1. BigM

    BigM Contributing Member

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    Thanks for the vid. His first 2 seasons have to be considered a phenomenal success. We have to separate the ridiculous expectations that he was going to be a 21 year old MVP winner. He's on pace or actually even above pace to be one of the best players in the game.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    James Harden does not play good (or even average) defense on a consistent level. He has his moments, but for the most part he is not good at defense.
     
  3. Houstunna

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    An oldie, but a goodie

     
  4. Hustle Town

    Hustle Town Contributing Member

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    Correa is a joke compared to Lindor.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    A joke?
     
  6. BigM

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    Somehow I knew a moron would post in a Correa thread because Lindor is in the World Series. Why do you have to knock one player because another player is doing well? It makes you look stupid. Especially since the last time Correa was in the playoffs he crushed it.
     
  7. RasaqBoi

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    Surprised nobody has posted a pic of Correas fiancé. She is pretty hot.
     
  8. Hustle Town

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    Relax, I was being facetious. There are lot of posts saying "Correa << Lindor" in my Facebook news feed, so I was hoping for your exact reaction. I'm still very much on board with Correa. It sucks that we don't get to watch this team in the playoffs.
     
  9. BigM

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    :) Thank goodness.
     
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    correa, lindor, seager, who is better?
     
  11. xcrunner51

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    By WAR both Seager and Lindor were far ahead of Correa this year. Correa is great for his age but he hasn't put up an all-star season yet like the other two have.
     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Seager - 6.12 WAR
    Correa - 5.95 WAR
    Lindor - 5.72 WAR
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

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    Goddamit Bob, I've warned you about your facts before. Don't make me do it again.
     
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    After some google-age I'm assuming those numbers are Bref?

    Fangraphs had them at:
    Seager: 7.5
    Lindor: 6.3
    Correa: 4.9

    I don't know why the disparity is so big but i've personally always favored the fangraphs WAR figure.
     
  15. Rockets12

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    If I remember correctly the main difference is the type of defense they use (UZR for fWAR and DRS for bWAR).

    This would at least explain Seager's difference since his UZR (10.6) makes him look better than his DRS (0).

    As for Correa his UZR/DRS are -2.3/-3, so not really sure why there's a sizeable gap for him. (for reference, the league avg UZR/DRS for SS is 2/1)
     
  16. xcrunner51

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    I'm skeptical of BRef's WAR difference of only 0.17 between Correa and Seager. Even if you only accounted for offense (negating Correa's weakness), Seagar's counting numbers, rate numbers, and WRC+ numbers are significantly better than Correa's. Those Bref numbers imply Correa is just slightly worse.

    Seager: 26 HR, 105 runs, 72 RBIs and an .877 OPS with a 137 WRC+
    Correa: 20 HR, 76 runs, 96 RBIS and an .811 OPS with a 122 WRC+

    This is no knock on Correa at all. But if BRef's numbers don't recognize that Seager was an MVP-candidate and Correa was an above-average but not quite all-star level player, then the numbers are flawed.
     
  17. juicystream

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    Correa was caught in a numbers game this year, and really should have been there last year given there were 0 All-star caliber SSs in 2015 (Correa was leading AL SS in WAR in 2015, IIRC, despite having only been playing like a month).
     
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    He currently leads baseball in batting average.
     
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    And if he played all 162 games last year, he would have won MVP.
     

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