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The AB vs. Lowry Argument

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roflmcwaffles, Mar 7, 2009.

  1. roflmcwaffles

    roflmcwaffles Member

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    Ok we have gotten Lowry there have been constant complaints about AB or Lowry and constant nagging on who should be starting point, here is my view, feel free to disagree.

    First the pluses and minuses of each:
    AB Pluses:
    - Lightening fast, lowry is too, but AB is as fast as CP3 and possibly Parker and that says something
    - Can shoot lights out from 3, can drive
    - Has so much heart and is clutch.

    AB Minues:
    - Guy turns it over too much
    - Guy gives up weight/size
    - Guy doesn't dish it enough

    Lowry Pluses:
    - Guy is a phenominal driver or driver/disher. He has good court vision all the time.
    - Guy is a beast, he is big for his size because of how much muscle he has
    - Guy is fast also, not AB fast, but pretty fast in his own right
    - Pretty good A/T ratio, very solid.

    Lowry Minues:
    - Guy cannot shoot the 3 and has a subpar jumpshot in general. (Probably his one fatal flaw). This forces him to HAVE to drive to create.


    CONCLUSION:
    So what does this tell us exactly?
    IMO, that the team is starting and reserving the guards 100% CORRECTLY!

    Let me tell you why:
    - AB gets no assists because his passes are little dink passes to Yao/Artest and they create for themselves (that's just how they play, watch it's rare no matter who passes to them that they will just catch and shoot, just doesn't happen).
    - AB is a FANTASTIC 3 point shooter, and for YEARS this board has asked for Yao + 3 point shooters + a guy that can drive if needed (suprisingly all our starting 4 can drive which is just a +). Yao clogs the lane, that's what he always has done and always will do, Lowry doesn't fit playing with Yao, when Yao and Lowry are in I believe Lowry doesn't play as good because he is forced into the stand behind the 3 point line and feed it to Yao and let Yao do his thing. AB just feeds it in and is able to wait for the double and take the wide open 3.


    - Lowry's assist are high for 2 reasons: #1 - He does have better vision than AB, I'll admit that, BUT #2 He plays with LANDRY on the floor (who is imo a PERFECT compliment to him) and usually with LANDRY + SCOLA and MINUS Yao. This allows Lowry to run and find the players who are going to score in transition, which is a strong point of Lowry (AB in this situation prob more times than not just goes and tries for shot).


    I think that this fits because each player fits the need. We want a guy that can SHOOT around Yao, Lowry is creative, Lowry can be a creative passer, but that doesn't help w/ Yao's butterfingers, it aids players like LANDRY and SCOLA who are always waiting for the ball in any situation.

    AB can score so much because Yao is on the floor with him and forces people to double on him, that gets AB open, I don't think anyone else on the rockets can command a double team and I believe AB would look a lot worse in a role off the bench.


    THAT BEING SAID: End game I believe should also be based on matchups for example vs. CP3 - I'd like to see AB, End game vs. Deron - I'd like to see Lowry for defense and size purposes.

    But as of now 1) Rockets are successful with this, 2) I think these points kind of help to illustrate why (or at least in my opinion why).
     
  2. jevon3012

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    To me, Brooks is a shorter Luther Head. Good penetrator when theres room. Good three point shooter when he has confidence. Horrible at both when he has no confidence. Not a great passer. Kind of a SG in a PG body. Disagree all you like but we all liked Luther in his second year too, we were all in arms trying to get him to be a starter too.
     
  3. ABZERO

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    Luther Head is a good penetrator? I just knew that. To me, that dude can't dribble the ball.
     
  4. OlajuwonShake34

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    At this point, Aaron Brooks is probably going to be the starter for the rest of the season.

    Unless, He starts bad mouthing the coach, starts playing worse than his slump, or gets injured.

    Rick Adelman seems to be TOO loyal to his players. Just to be fair, If Rick was more of a strict coach say Avery Johnson. Aaron Brooks would have started, even when Rafer Alston was here, and Kyle Lowry probably would be starting now.

    The Reality is Aaron Brooks is the starter simply because he has been playing for this team longer. It might take the off-season to change who will be the starter.

    As for who is the better player, It is Kyle Lowry.

    However, AB is def. going to start, due to the fact that he's been on this team longer.
     
  5. DVauthrin

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    Luther Head couldn't dribble or pass to save his life. while brooks may struggle with being a pure point guard at times, he does both worlds better than head. and he's much quicker than luther.
     
  6. roflmcwaffles

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    "We" were trying to make him starter? I didn't like him almost ever. I thought he was a nice spot up and shoot 10-15 minute a game player, I never really took much else out of his game. Brooks brings it every night and can finish games, Head could NEVER do that.
     
  7. DVauthrin

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    You do not make roster changes for the sake of a change. Since the rafer trade the team is 7-2. There are plenty of minutes for both, and it will stay that way. And I wouldn't be expecting a change next season, either.
     
  8. DVauthrin

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    very good post, btw.
     
  9. OlajuwonShake34

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    You got your opinion, I got mine. Rick is just going by players who know the system.

    If Kyle Lowry was a respected veteran, then I'm sure Lowry might be starting now. The reality is Kyle Lowry is a prospect player just like Aaron Brooks. They're both extremely young with a high upside.

    He's just going with Brooks, because he's played here longer.
     
  10. tmacfor35

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    Lowry's jumper is underrated. I think we all noticed he has a pretty consistent pull up 15-18 foot jumper with the ball in his hands.
     
  11. OlajuwonShake34

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    His scoring game reminds me of Tony Parker, but since he's not a score first PG. I don't know who he plays like.

    Overall, he plays like Rondo. But Lowry's jumper is way more consistent, not to mention Lowry hits his FTs. Rondo is shooting a below average 65% from the line.
     
  12. Shaud

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    Wtf, gotta be kidding me.
     
  13. iconoclastic

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    Lowry is consistently- consistently good. I haven't seen a string of mistakes or him hanging his head after a mistake or any inconsistency from him whatsoever. He's always making the heads up play, no hesitation whatsoever. Never gets down on himself, the perfect teammate and point guard and leader and floor general.

    Brooks on the other hand, is inconsistent. When he's off- EVERYTHING's off. He'll turn the ball over, pass the ball at the wrong time or not at all, miss shots badly, and generally play terrible. But when he's confident, he's Mr. Big Shot. An unstoppable force like Devin Harris or Tony Parker.

    But for the overall sake of the team, the starter should be Kyle Lowry. Maybe one day Brooks can develop consistency, but we know what Lowry brings to the table, and it is good. I compare Lowry's consistency and effort to Ron Artest's. He doesn't have lapses in effort or concentration. Unlike Ron who is a natural chucker and will never change, Lowry is a natural point guard, which will also never change.
     
  14. rhino17

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    Luther Head couldnt dribble a basketball or drive to the rim, they are totally different players
     
  15. devin23

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    Dude, its so easy to compare brooks. BROOKS=MIKE JAMES on crack.
     
  16. devin23

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    Oops I mean brooks=mike james on speed. Which means, a much faster version of mike james, who basically plays the same way.
     
  17. RocketsTerps

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    Nice thread. I agree.
     
  18. ibm

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    how about the op adding a poll, see how many want ab to start and how many favor lowry?
     
  19. JayGoogle

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    You know what this tells me...this was a great trade :D
     
  20. jkckwong

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    I prefer KL to AB because consistency and defense are more reliable. If KL would practise 5000 jump shots per day in the off-season, we'd have a much stronger and younger version of Tony Parker as Rox's starting PG next season.
     

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