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The 2024 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, Jul 15, 2024.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Maybe.

    I think the economy was the main issue. Folks feeling negative about what the economy is whether it is accurate or not.

    If her campaign had been able to convince people that she had what it would take to change that, it could have been enough. But she is part of the administration which always will get the blame. Sure her campaign didn't get the message across that she'll get the economy moving in the right direction. So I guess they get blame for that. But I'm not sure how they could have done that.

    She had a dynamic convention, killed Trump at the debate, raised funds like nobody before, and those are signs of a strong campaign.

    I guess the campaign gets blame for not recognize the level of discontent with the economy and addressing that.
     
  2. droxford

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    1. I believe Kamala would try to tax unrealized gains, which is terrible. Trump will not do this.
    2. I don't agree with Kamala's priority on "equity" and equality of outcome, rather than merit-based remuneration. Trump does not have this belief.
    3. I believe Kamala would give free money to people simply because they're black, which is terrible, racist, wrong, and would increase inflation. I believe Trump will not do this.
    4. I believe Kamala's intended policy for new homeowners would be detrimental to the housing market and would increase inflation. I believe Trump will not do this.
    5. I believe Kamala's intended policy of financial help for new business startups would increase inflation. I believe Trump will not do this.
    6. I believe it was the weakness of the Biden/Harris administration that led Putin to invade Ukraine war. I believe Trump has a much stronger foreign policy.
    7. I believe Kamala and Biden are handling the situation with Israel terribly and that it was their weakness that led Hamas to attack against Israel. I believe Trump will handle the situation with greater competence.
    8. I believe that Biden/Harris has been weak in efforts to have American hostages returned, and I believe Trump will not be.
    9. I believe a Kamala administration would pander to transgender people, and I believe Trump will not.
    10. I believe Trump has a better understanding of financial management and responsibility than Harris.
    11. I like Trump's idea for not-taxing tips.
    12. I like Trump's idea of having a government efficiency watchdog.
    13. I believe the illegal immigration problem will be improved under Trump (and would be a lot worse under Harris, who has done a terrible job with it over the last 4 years).
    14. I believe that it has been Biden/Harris efforts that have dramatically increased inflation over the past four years, that Kamala's administration would continue to worsen inflation, and that, under Trump, inflation will be not-as-bad (and will hopefully improve).
    ...and I think most Americans probably think along the same way as I've described above, which is why Trump won.

    ...but on a grander scale...
    I think that the American public has NOT AT ALL liked how Democrats have been leading the country over the past four years. This is why, as a result of this election, the majority of state governors will be Republican, the majority of congressmen will be Republican, the majority of Senators will be Republican, the popular vote majority was Republican, the electoral college vote majority was Republican, and the President will be Republican. That there is the American people taking a giant piss on the leftist agendas that they've been seeing.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Agreed.

    She had all the Xs and Os of a healthy campaign.

    She even had the strong turnout in the Big 7 states that she needed. Trump just had more.

    I think people underestimate just how animating the last 2 years of legal troubles Trump has been hit with has been for Republicans.

    Add in the Middle East strife and flagging economy and I think you have the recipe.
     
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  4. Scarface281

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    I actually think the core is 4chan's politically Incorrect section. Unknown to many here but that website sets trends/creates memes that eventually reach mainstream years later. They are at the core.

    Then from that center you get X, podcasts, alternative "mainstream" news like PBD, Fox, etc.

    And the Dems do have a propaganda apparatus...reddit. the problem is reddit can't meme.
     
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  5. Nook

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    Whatever - the leadership for the RNC and DNC both lack any backbone. No one was going to tell old man Biden he only got one term, and those around Biden didn't do anything - and the DNC will have to deal with the fact that they let a man that physically could not effectively communicate participate in a debate in front of the entire world. That isn't Biden's fault - that is the parties fault.

    I ripped the RNC and Republican leadership for sniveling with Trump - then the DNC deserves blame for this situation.

    I find it so funny that all of these outlets want to place blame - when the reality is that anyone that won in 2020 was going to have an incredibly hard time winning in 2024 from all of the pandemic after effects.

    The Democrats need leadership from people that are more solidly intertwined with common Americans.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Reddit is just a vessel/medium. There's not some shady cabal running the site/org to pump Kamala memes.

    4chan creates memes which bleed out into the social media swimming pool. That's new/alternative media mostly consumed by Gen Z etc.

    The absolute lion's share of Trump voters are still Fox News drone boomers who don't even use email.
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    How many people do they have counting? 1?
     
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    People up in here trying to solve the three body problem of politics.
     
  10. HTM

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    Elon only recently acquired twitter.

    I don't pretend to keep up with who owns all the various social media companies but historically, that has been a left-wing space.

    If you say it's all now right wing... ok... but I'm not so sure about that.
     
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    Great post
     
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  12. StupidMoniker

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    You must have missed it. Her solution was price controls and taxes on unrealized gains.
    Of course there is. The admins and moderators. They are in the tank for the Dems, banned r/The_Donald and tons of other GOP leaning subs, ban people from what are ostensibly neutral subs like r/Politics for daring to question the Democrat orthodoxy. Reddit is absolutely a propoganda machine for the left (and not just the Democrats, but the socialists, communists, radfems, trans-activists, black supremacists, etc.).
     
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  13. Nook

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    I'm not saying it is all right wing - what I am saying is that there is a very strong and popular presence of right wing media and content on social media.
     
  14. hooroo

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    trump is on track to win about nearly the same number of overall votes he won in 2020.

    trump down 3% among voters 65+. the boomers not being the boomers this time around.

    his biggest gains were the hispanic vote especially male voters. he also did better with the tiktok gen.

    the overall difference in WI was 30k votes, MI was 80k votes, PA 134k votes, GA was 120k votes.

    millions of registered voters did not turn out. it could be a form of protest, not liking either candidate, or independents who went back to being apathetic.
     
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    Just because TD violated TOS doesn't mean there's some shady cabal out to get you.

    There are indeed astroturfing campaigns on reddit, political or otherwise, but the organization isn't "in the tank" for anything.
     
  16. StupidMoniker

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    Yeah, if you don't think the admins and moderators of reddit are well to the Dem side of the average American and happy to flex that power, I don't know what to tell you.
     
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    Yes, I know that, but most people had no idea what she was running on. The messaging was bad, whether the policy is bad or not, doesn't matter. Trump's ideas are terrible. People voted for him because they felt like he was going to change something and they felt like she wasn't.
     
  18. MystikArkitect

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    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6364275187112

    "It was a total misread....by the coastal strategists....when it comes to how to target working class voters of color."

    Play this at every meeting the Dems have about planning for 2026 and 2028.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    I have no doubt there may be some personal biases at play. But I do not think it's some kind of coordinated effort. Reddit mods are all insane in their own special way. But the people that own and run the site as a whole.... Different species.
     
  20. hooroo

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    they actually moved further right from center right but were drowned out by the talking points from the trump-musk machines which were outright lies.
     

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