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That's it. The Media Bias For Kerry has Pushed Me Toward Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rileydog, Aug 3, 2004.

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  1. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

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    I was undecided but am now going with Bush, for perhaps a poor reason. The crap media bias is exemplified in the article below. At first, second and third glance, it misleads the reader into thinking that Ridge, Bush and the Republicans sat on old information and increased the terror alert for politicial gain. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5591204/


    First, the title: "Ridge defends higher terror alert as 'essential'
    Homeland security chief reacts to news al-Qaida files are years old"

    It could not be more stilted. It sounds like the Republicans are being defensive because they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. But the fact is that the old information was just discovered. But the "newly discovered" element of the story is buried, buried cleverly so that many readers may never get to it and get misled. Frankly, some readers will just see the headlines and be deceived.

    Second, the article: Look at the first section. Equally misleading. Am I naive to be this mad? Does this go on all the time? I mean crap, if Kerry can't get his own bounce, does the media have to get it for him? I was ready to listen to him but am now furiousoff.

    "WASHINGTON - U.S. officials say the detailed surveillance photos and documents that prompted higher terror warnings dated from as far back as 2000 and 2001, and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said Tuesday the government concluded “it was essential” to publicize it and raise the terror alert. Speaking at a news conference in New York, Ridge said that because of the heightened security steps, “We have made it much more difficult for the terrorists to achieve their broad objectives. ... We will not become fortress America.”

    Officials had said earlier that it wasn’t clear whether the individuals who amassed the information, principally on financial institutions in New York, Newark and Washington, D.C., are still in the country or plotting.

    Top Bush administration officials said some of the surveillance was apparently updated as recently as January of this year. And they denied any allegations that the public release of the information now, and the raising of the terror alert, were politically motivated.

    Finally: Buried in a paragraph is this one sentence that sorta sets the record straight. "They said the information was released now because it was just uncovered in Pakistan."



    Perhaps I am an idealist but this is ridiculous. I guess this is why I generally tune out of politics. Everything is stilted to cajole, deceive and mislead. It becomes increasingly difficult to determine what is real and what is memorex.
     
    #1 Rileydog, Aug 3, 2004
  2. RocketMan Tex

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    :D
     
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  3. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I'd have to agree...it's a poor reason.
     
    #3 Rocketman95, Aug 3, 2004
  4. Rileydog

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    well, I'm a "swing voter" that rarely cares about politics. I seem be paying more attention this year and each candidate has his flaws. There appears to be no good home for a social moderate and fiscal conservative.

    But the media is a powerful thing and certainly proKerry. I guess I'm just raging against the machine that has ticked me off the most. With the candidates being roughly equal in appeal, stuff like this does serve as the tiebreaker. Kerrry benefits from media bias, so he must suffer from it too.
     
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  5. mc mark

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    Rileydog are you sure that's the reason your voting Bush? The media?
     
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  6. IROC it

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    Are you sure you're voting Kerry because you like him better? Or is it just Bush hate?

    I for one am not 100% pro-choice, but wouldn't say that 100% of abortion is necessarily murder.

    So Bush lines up more with that for me.

    I also wouldn't say that guns are the problem as much as the criminals who use them.

    So Bush lines up more with that for me.

    And I agree that the "Oval Office" needed "one heck of a scrubbin'" after the previous president left it.

    So Bush lines up more with that for me.

    Plus, I think W is funnier than JFK, and Laura is purtier than Ketchup. Guffah, guffah, yuck, yuck... :rolleyes:
     
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  7. Oski2005

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    That is pretty weak, shouldn't you just go to the candidate's websites and find out where they stand on the issues that matter to you?


    On top of that, I don't get what you are accusing the AP of doing.
     
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  8. SamFisher

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    That's it, the ham sandwich I just ate has pushed me towards voting for Kimbo.
     
    #8 SamFisher, Aug 3, 2004
  9. Cohen

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    I don't hate Bush. I won't vote for him because he's scary stupid.
     
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  10. Rocketman95

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    I was just giving you a hard time with the poor reason comment.

    I guess I just don't find the media all that pro-Kerry. I don't think they're anti-Bush by any means. To me, if something was going to change my vote if I was a swing voter, it'd be the politicizing of the announcement by Ridge rather than the media's coverage of it.
     
    #10 Rocketman95, Aug 3, 2004
  11. Mulder

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    Just watch Fox News awhile and maybe you will switch back.

    Seriously, you list your occupation as an Attorney. You must be a very bright guy. I find it hard to believe you could be pushed into voting for this guy for that reason.
     
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  12. mc mark

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    IROC it yes I'm voting for Kerry because I think he'll make a much better president than Jr. While I may not agree with everything Kerry stands for, it's got to be a hell of a lot better than what we have now.


    And I have no problem admitting that I dislike the SOB Bush.
     
    #12 mc mark, Aug 3, 2004
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    LIVE CONVENTION SPEECH AIRTIME

    FOX CNN MSNBC
    July 26 0:41 1:10 1:07
    July 27 1:05 1:23 1:39
    July 28 0:42 1:08 1:05
    July 29 1:12 1:15 1:36

    Totals... FOX: 3 hours, 40 minutes
    CNN: 4 hours, 56 minutes
    MSNBC: 5 hours, 27 minutes

    Former President Jimmy Carter: FOX News Channel aired just over four minutes of Carter's speech; CNN and MSNBC aired almost 14 minutes.

    Former Vice President Al Gore: FOX News Channel aired 45 seconds of Gore's speech; CNN and MSNBC aired 13 minutes.

    Senator Edward Kennedy: FOX News Channel aired a little more than four minutes of Kennedy's speech; CNN and MSNBC aired 25 minutes of his speech.

    Ret. General Wesley Clark: FOX News Channel aired none of Clark's speech; CNN aired about two minutes and MSNBC aired almost 11 minutes.

    Reverend Al Sharpton: FOX News Channel aired two and a half minutes of Sharpton's speech live; CNN aired almost 20 minutes, and MSNBC aired almost 17 minutes.

    Reverend Jesse Jackson: FOX News Channel aired none of Jackson's speech; CNN and MSNBC aired approximately 10 minutes.

    http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200408020002
     
    #13 rimrocker, Aug 3, 2004
  14. RocketMan Tex

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    My reason exactly. Well, that and the fact that Kerry has five letters in his last name while Bush only has four.:D
     
    #14 RocketMan Tex, Aug 3, 2004
  15. IROC it

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    So... a week after the RNC you'll be voting Kerry again?

    Whew! I thought we had a convert. Scared me there.







    Playing the advocate...


    You realize that this....
    ...proves Rileydogs point right? The majority of the media you listed caters to Kerry.
     
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  16. Mulder

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    Better yet, watch the convention speeches on CSPAN, if you must see them.
     
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  17. mc mark

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    Can I get an AMEN!!!

    That’s all I watched during the convention

    Well except for some of the CNN commentary on Kerry's speech the last night.
     
    #17 mc mark, Aug 3, 2004
  18. nyquil82

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    honestly, as much as I dislike bush, i'd rather you vote for bush than not vote at all. I would also like everyone to make rational decisions when they vote (and there are rational reasons for voting for either), but that's asking for too much icing.
     
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  19. mc mark

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    Rileydog I noticed on your Bio that you're from Taiwan. Are you a naturalized citizen? Is this your first election?
     
    #19 mc mark, Aug 3, 2004
  20. IROC it

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    I thought only "neo-cons" dug into people's private lives?
     
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