I don't care what the ABC announcers said, I am so happy the Saints fans started throwing their bottles onto the field. I'm so happy that Jim Haslett let those officials have it. I really feel for those Browns fans now. The level of officiating tonight is absolutely pathetic. The Rams don't know how to play real football, they just run plays and give sad looks to the refs, hoping to get bailed out. Newsflash: the Rams hold people defensively. Newsflash: Aaron Brooks has been hit late. Aaron Brooks took a helmet to helmet hit. The difference? The Saints play real football, and just move onto the next play. The Rams sit there and cry about it. And the officials let them get by with it game after game. The only shame is that one of those bottles didn't connect with an official. Is it classy? Probably not. But neither is paying $70 for a ticket and having to watch this bull****. Someone needs to do something about it, and watching the NFL office after the Cleveland fiasco it's fairly obvious they won't. I can't wait to hear those Rams fans after this game, if they hold on to win. (not a guarantee at this moment) The Rams still haven't found a way to beat the Saints; rather, the Saints and officials combined have all but given them this game. Keep crying, lambs... come playoff time the more physical teams will have their way and show them how to play real football. (Hint: it's about more than fancy pass routes and crying to the officials) GO SAINTS!!!
I don't care about either the Rams or the Saints, really - but what little I was able to watch on the game, or hear about on the radio...the Saints don't seem to know what it means to go back-to-back plays without a penalty. Somehow I doubt they were innocent of them all. So what happened at the end? Guess it's time to fire up ESPN or something.... Either way, there is no excuse for morons to act like morons and throw crap on the field like they are damn children...or morons.
I'm not going to lie, many of those penalties were legitimate. However, they were also penalties that happen every game, including when the Rams have the ball, but are overlooked. For example, Aaron Brooks was hit very late helmet to helmet after one play. Cameron Cleeland was held up several times in the backfield. The problem I have is that after every play the Rams do nothing but stare at the officials begging for help. It's a freaking joke. And they did this practically all game long. The Saints played honorably, and got burned.
So what have we learned this week from TheCat? Potsmoking = Bad Throwing Bottles at People = Good Nice to see you have your priorities straight...
That's highly possible - of course, when I'm watching one of my favorite teams I see a lot of things that the refs don't catch too. Anyhow - when I was watching was late in the third quarter, after the Rams fumbled near the end zone. (Knight knocked the ball free and recovered the fumble) The Saints are only down a touchdown - and then promptly commit penalties on the next two plays, effectively ending the drive. And I don't think those were bad calls. Rams come back and hit the fg, (the one that banked in), up 10. It just seems to me that the Saints shot themselves in the foot just as much as they got bad calls. And I remember in the next drive, Warner tried to hit Bruce on a short slant play. Bruce was slammed to the ground before the ball sailed by - no call. So the officiating may have been bad (I haven't seen enough to call the whole game), but NO had a chance here...and didn't do themselves any favors.
Smoking pot is bad. Fans who combined were robbed of thousands of dollars have a right to do something about it. It'd be nice if the league office would do something about it, but they actually supported the morons who blew the game in Cleveland. I don't like violence either, but what can you do? This sure wasn't the best way to handle it, but when the league is stripping fans collectively of thousands of dollars, some kind of statement needs to be made. Like I said, not sure if this is the best way, but I can't blame them.
Maybe if those Saint's fans had been lighting up a fatty - they wouldn't have thrown those bottles on the field. Hooliganism(especially copied hooliganism-how pathetic) has no place. If you can't act civil and cheer for your team, then you shouldn't go to a sporting event.
Us Aussie would say no Probs as long as the Bottles of Beer were empty first, it is very bad to waste Beer!!!!
<b>The Cat</b>: "Fans who combined were robbed of thousands of dollars have a right to do something about it. It'd be nice if the league office would do something about it, but they actually supported the morons who blew the game in Cleveland. I don't like violence either, but what can you do? This sure wasn't the best way to handle it, but when the league is stripping fans collectively of thousands of dollars, some kind of statement needs to be made. Like I said, not sure if this is the best way, but I can't blame them. <b>RR</b>: What's the deal here? Do fans only have to pay for tickets when their team wins? Based on the memories and controversies created at the game, I'd say the fans got more than their money's worth. BTW, the "moron" refs in Cleveland got the call exactly right. It weren't smoothe but it was right.
The fans payed for a game. In my opinion, watching one team cry to the officials play after play and get what they want isn't part of a game. That's not football. BTW, how in the world did the officials in Cleveland get the call right? The pass may have been incomplete, but you cannot review a play after another play has been run. The replay was not legal to be reviewed. Want evidence? The official on the field let the Browns snap the ball, ruled the spike incomplete, and then reached for his buzzer, after a play had been run. Like someone said in the other thread, the refs didn't play by the rules, so how can you expect the fans to?
Sounds like logic that terrorists use. Grow up, Cat. Those bottles can do real and permanent damage to someone's brain.
"Like someone said in the other thread, the refs didn't play by the rules, so how can you expect the fans to?" Great logic. "But mommy, HE did it too!"
If someone stole thousands of dollars from you, you wouldn't want to throw something at them? Great logic. "But mommy, HE did it too!" Gotta love how it's ok for others to say it, but when I say it people jump down my throat. Very fair.
<B>If someone stole thousands of dollars from you, you wouldn't want to throw something at them? </B> Who stole thousands of dollars from any single fan? Even if you argue the "stealing" theory, the only people who paid thousands of dollars were the luxury suite holders, and they probably didn't throw any bottles. As far as "stealing" goes, you pay to watch a game. They got to see at least 59 minutes and 12 seconds of "fair" football, no matter what you think about the final 48 seconds. I don't think anyone "stole" anything from them. EDIT: I see you were referring to the STL/NO game in terms of the "stealing" so this doesn't really apply. Most of the penalties I saw called on NO in this game were self-inflicted. Stupid, stupid things that were "unforced" errors. Maybe they should learn some discipline instead of blaming the refs. BTW, STL got called for its share of penalties too. Maybe the next time the Rockets suffer a bad call, we should pelt the refs? Sure, someone may get hurt, but hey, a right call is soo much more important than someone's health. I also liked how Cleveland threw at Jacksonville players, as though it was their fault as well. <B>Gotta love how it's ok for others to say it, but when I say it people jump down my throat. Very fair. </B> For the record, my statement applies to anyone who uses the logic that since the refs didn't play by the rules, the fans shouldn't either. Better?
Cat, it would go a long way towards your credibility if you would just admit that you are wrong on this issue.
All Saints fans throwing crap on the field showed me is that there are stupid people in every city in the world. If your life is so pathetic that a bad call ticks you off and causes you to break the law and throw debris on the field risking people's health then you take sports WAY to seriously. For the people who think it's ok to throw garbage on the field because of a bad call what happens if you're in the front row with your kid, a bad call is made, and some idiot throws a bottle on the field but accidently hits your kid in the head? Are you going to say "Oh it's ok, it was a bad call my kid has to tough it out!" Or what if your sister or wife or female family member was the one that was assaulted in Cleveland Sunday? A female security guard got ASSAULTED in the arena, and there's a guy in the hospital, all of this was worth it over a bad call? 13 people were arrested in that Saints game, but hey it was a bad call and it was worth it!
I said that, but I didn't mean it in the way it's been taken. I was trying to say that defending the refs' wrong call in the Browns game precludes the ability to complain about the melee that resulted. Either you support everyone following the rules or you support nobody following the rules. Saying one side can break the rules and the other can't is wrong to me. But both things were wrong, and the fact that the refs were wrong shouldn't excuse what the fans did, in my opinion. I was referring to after-the-fact criticism but worded it in a bad and confusing way (which is often my style). It was a comment borne out of the NFL's defense of the ref's call (admittedly made while I hadn't heard all the comments from the NFL, though I still think their explanation is nothing more than the CYA theory at work).
