Got this from ESPN Insider Abraham wants out <Feb. 15> According to the New York Daily News, Abraham has told friends he wants out because he doesn't feel like he's part of the Jets' long-term plans. "He wants to get the hell out of New York," a person close to Abraham said. "He's pretty upset." Abraham continues to seek a long-term deal, and the Jets remain unwilling to meet the defensive end's monetary demands. The team has the option of franchising and then trading Abraham, but there are serious salary-cap implications that might force New York to simply let him hit the open market. There are several teams reportedly interested in the unrestricted free agent, including the Chargers, Redskins, Browns and Texans. One possibility, according to The Newark Star-Ledger, could be a deal with San Diego for quarterback Philip Rivers. New Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer was Rivers' quarterback coach the last two seasons.
What's been floating around is a deal for the Texans #1 pick for the Jets #4 overall + Abraham. It's just speculation.
Carr for Abraham straight up? Jets get their QB, Texans get their DE, Abraham can also play some OLB as well.
Why give up 3 draft spots when you can get him for free - he's an unrestricted FA? This reminds me of the "Let's trade Jamie Sharper for a 2nd Rounder" delusion that was going on last year.
how long has then been out because a guy called John and Lance's show monday suggesting vilma and abraham + a 2 and 3 for to flip flop. that is of course insane, but vilma + a two for a flip flop wouldn't be.
I would really consider the Vilma + the Jets 1st and 2nd picks. Vilma is young and a pro bowler at a position we need. That first trade propostion is just crazy. According to the Draft Value Chart it would take basically the Jets or Packers entire draft to move from their pick to the #1 that the Texans have. http://www.degnan.org/dolphins/draftvaluechart.htm
you guys are high if you think that the jets would trade either Abraham or Vilma AND their 1st or, gulp, 1st and 2nd picks for the top pick...u cant be serious i understand that the Texans would DEMAND that price...but they would never get it in my opinion. The fact that the Texans think they can get that (if that is indeed true) is a perfect example of how their front office doesnt have a clue
I can't see the Jets willing to let Vilma go, but Abraham has been opening his mouth about wanting to get his monies for a while now so I can see them trading him for less then market value. I would demand an additional 2nd round pick in addition to Abraham. Besides, Abraham is a undersized DE that's one-dimensional according to Scouts.com. They have Abraham just rated out of the top 10 DE in the league behind Charles Grant, Aaron Schobel, Leonard Little, and Simeon Rice. 2005 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc. Grade: 81 | Key Alert: DI Comment: As a pass rusher, he can beat most offensive linemen with his first step, he is fast enough to turn the corner and he shows excellent closing speed to the quarterback. Abraham can change directions quickly and he is capable of redirecting inside after starting outside. However, Abraham takes too long to open his hips when he's forced to turn and run downfield and he is a liability in man coverage. He lacks ideal recognition skills, he is overaggressive at times and he will create running lanes by getting too far upfield. Although he improved in this area last year Abraham still doesn't show a wide variety of pass rush moves and he needs to do a better job of forcing offensive linemen to move their feet in pass protection. He lacks ideal bulk for a defensive end, bigger offensive tackles will have some success engulfing him at the point of attack and he appears to wear down when teams consistently run at him. http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/players/scouting?statsId=5042
Then I disagree with scouts.com....he is virtually the same size (or bigger) than anyone of those 4 guys u listed....only exception is that grant outweighs them all by 30 lbs. He outsacks and outtackles everyone on that list too (schobel avges a few more tackles). If the Jets are going to cut him loose due to his mouth, so be it....but I still think the Teaxns are absolutely on drugs if they think they can land JA, a #1 and #2 for the top pick
you have to consider the drop from the first three picks to number four. the jets at four are in a position that they almost can't take Cutler, that's the guy moving up right? they have to go somewhere else at four. they can get their qb at one and be get full value for that selection.
The Chargers got a 1st rounder plus for moving a few spots down so the gints could draft a qb that wasn't as good as the top 2 in this class(imo). Abraham will never EVER fetch the Jets a 1st rounder in a trade. Maybe a 2nd rounder, if they are extremely lucky, but not even then due to the contract he wants and every team knowing the Jets salary cap problems.
IIRC, the Chargers got a 1st rounder plus more picks.....not a pro bowl calibur DE. I agree that Abraham alone would never fetch the Jets a 1st rounder....at least not a top 10 pick for sure. However, thats not the deal being discussed...its Abraham AND a 1st rounder (#4 overall) for the #1 pick....pretty steep regardless of cap issues. That being said, if the jets really are that fed up with JA and covet Bush or Young, then I guess anything is possible....but id be surprised.
Okay ... clearly moving up, even just a few spots, when there is a year where there are true franchise players at the top, requires a price of at least a 1st rounder ++ for a team to even contemplate a trade down. John Abraham isn't worth a 1st rounder in trade(except maybe to a team in desperate need with a low low first rounder, but still unlikely) so he doesn't meet that price. Therefore, JA + a 2nd rounder would hardly be a ridiculous trade, hell I would say NY would get it for relatively cheap considering the prospects this year, the mammoth contract JA wants, and the good chance he might be a ufa. The only 1 player + non first round picks that I think would be worth a trade down(as far as the jets go) would be Vilma, but I think the Jets would offer up next years 1st rounder before they'd offer up Vilma.
I didnt say that JA + a 2nd rounder was ridiculous....I said JA plus a 1st or JA plus a 1 and 2 is ridiculous. Every year, there are supposedly "franchise" type players at the top...and every year, the middle of the first round a few superstars emerge...not to say that the top picks dont turn out to be good....its just that its not a guarantee in any sport. If any team in the NFL realizes that picking higher doesnt necessarily mean that you will get a better player, its the Jets....they took Ken O Brien over Dan Marino...Al Toon over Jerry Rice...and Blair Thomas over Emmitt Smith......thats why i dont see the Jets getting desparate to move up a few notches.
But the team loses out on drafting a potential score every time they touch the ball offensive weapon - which is the direction McNair clearly wants to go, has to pay Abraham, and, I'd think, could probably get more. The NFL is weird to me. The Edge is a top running back and the Colts couldn't get a 2nd round pick for him last year, it seemed.
