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Tet: Setting the record straight

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. basso

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    why some in the media, congress, and on the campaign trail want to replicate these lies is beyond me.

    [rquoter]The Lies of Tet
    By ARTHUR HERMAN
    February 6, 2008; Page A19

    On January 30, 1968, more than a quarter million North Vietnamese soldiers and 100,000 Viet Cong irregulars launched a massive attack on South Vietnam. But the public didn't hear about who had won this most decisive battle of the Vietnam War, the so-called Tet offensive, until much too late.

    Media misreporting of Tet passed into our collective memory. That picture gave antiwar activism an unwarranted credibility that persists today in Congress, and in the media reaction to the war in Iraq. The Tet experience provides a narrative model for those who wish to see all U.S. military successes -- such as the Petraeus surge -- minimized and glossed over.

    In truth, the war in Vietnam was lost on the propaganda front, in great measure due to the press's pervasive misreporting of the clear U.S. victory at Tet as a defeat. Forty years is long past time to set the historical record straight.

    The Tet offensive came at the end of a long string of communist setbacks. By 1967 their insurgent army in the South, the Viet Cong, had proved increasingly ineffective, both as a military and political force. Once American combat troops began arriving in the summer of 1965, the communists were mauled in one battle after another, despite massive Hanoi support for the southern insurgency with soldiers and arms. By 1967 the VC had lost control over areas like the Mekong Delta -- ironically, the very place where reporters David Halberstam and Neil Sheehan had first diagnosed a Vietnam "quagmire" that never existed.

    The Tet offensive was Hanoi's desperate throw of the dice to seize South Vietnam's northern provinces using conventional armies, while simultaneously triggering a popular uprising in support of the Viet Cong. Both failed. Americans and South Vietnamese soon put down the attacks, which began under cover of a cease-fire to celebrate the Tet lunar new year. By March 2, when U.S. Marines crushed the last North Vietnamese pockets of resistance in the northern city of Hue, the VC had lost 80,000-100,000 killed or wounded without capturing a single province.

    Tet was a particularly crushing defeat for the VC. It had not only failed to trigger any uprising but also cost them "our best people," as former Viet Cong doctor Duong Quyunh Hoa later admitted to reporter Stanley Karnow. Yet the very fact of the U.S. military victory -- "The North Vietnamese," noted National Security official William Bundy at the time, "fought to the last Viet Cong" -- was spun otherwise by most of the U.S. press.

    As the Washington Post's Saigon bureau chief Peter Braestrup documented in his 1977 book, "The Big Story," the desperate fury of the communist attacks including on Saigon, where most reporters lived and worked, caught the press by surprise. (Not the military: It had been expecting an attack and had been on full alert since Jan. 24.) It also put many reporters in physical danger for the first time. Braestrup, a former Marine, calculated that only 40 of 354 print and TV journalists covering the war at the time had seen any real fighting. Their own panic deeply colored their reportage, suggesting that the communist assault had flung Vietnam into chaos.

    Their editors at home, like CBS's Walter Cronkite, seized on the distorted reporting to discredit the military's version of events. The Viet Cong insurgency was in its death throes, just as U.S. military officials assured the American people at the time. Yet the press version painted a different picture.

    To quote Braestrup, "the media tended to leave the shock and confusion of early February, as then perceived, fixed as the final impression of Tet" and of Vietnam generally. "Drama was perpetuated at the expense of information," and "the negative trend" of media reporting "added to the distortion of the real situation on the ground in Vietnam."

    The North Vietnamese were delighted. On the heels of their devastating defeat, Hanoi increasingly shifted its propaganda efforts toward the media and the antiwar movement. Causing American (not South Vietnamese) casualties, even at heavy cost, became a battlefield objective in order to reinforce the American media's narrative of a failing policy in Vietnam.

    Yet thanks to the success of Tet, the numbers of Americans dying in Vietnam steadily declined -- from almost 15,000 in 1968 to 9,414 in 1969 and 4,221 in 1970 -- by which time the Viet Cong had ceased to exist as a viable fighting force. One Vietnamese province after another witnessed new peace and stability. By the end of 1969 over 70% of South Vietnam's population was under government control, compared to 42% at the beginning of 1968. In 1970 and 1971, American ambassador Ellsworth Bunker estimated that 90% of Vietnamese lived in zones under government control.

    However, all this went unnoticed because misreporting about Tet had left the image of Vietnam as a botched counterinsurgency -- an image nearly half a decade out of date. The failure of the North's next massive invasion over Easter 1972, which cost the North Vietnamese army another 100,000 men and half their tanks and artillery, finally forced it to sign the peace accords in Paris and formally to recognize the Republic of South Vietnam. By August 1972 there were no U.S. combat forces left in Vietnam, precisely because, contrary to the overwhelming mass of press reports, American policy there had been a success.

    To Congress and the public, however, the war had been nothing but a debacle. And by withdrawing American troops, President Nixon gave up any U.S. political or military leverage on Vietnam's future. With U.S. military might out of the equation, the North quickly cheated on the Paris accords. When its re-equipped army launched a massive attack in 1975, Congress refused to redeem Nixon's pledges of military support for the South. Instead, President Gerald Ford bowed to what the media had convinced the American public was inevitable: the fall of Vietnam.

    The collapse of South Vietnam's neighbor, Cambodia, soon followed. Southeast Asia entered the era of the "killing fields," exterminating in a brief few years an estimated two million people -- 30% of the Cambodian population. American military policy has borne the scars of Vietnam ever since.

    It had all been preventable -- but for the lies of Tet.

    Mr. Herman is the author of "Gandhi and Churchill: The Epic Rivalry That Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age," to be published by Bantam Dell in April.[/rquoter]
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the media does not fight wars. either the war was won or lost on the battlefield. the terrorist do not read the ny times, the wall street journal, or the washington post.

    right now the surge is working to quell violence in iraq. the media and the military told mr. bush that more troops were required to secure iraq from day 1. the press was right, mr. rumsfeld, cheaney and bush were wrong. he finally gets it right four and half years later, and when something finally goes right over there, you get a bunch wing nuts blaming the media for accurately reporting what's happening over there.

    I don't know what's more mind numbing

    bigtexxx's meltdown on barack so he constantly reminds us that he's black with a muslim name,

    or your continual assault on the "liberal" troop hating media.
     
  3. basso

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    ah, but the terrorists do read the US media, and it's well documented that the NVA fought a propaganda campaign through will US media proxies. this is history- you can ignore it, or pretend it isn't happening again, but you can't say it didn't happen. or rarther you can, but you'd be dead wrong.

    as far as tex and balack- shouldn't you be directing your ire against the clintons, who have apparently successfully turned the race into one about race?
     
  4. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    do you honestly feel that the reporting on iraq is inaccurate? I'm not going to debate vietnam, I'm too young.
     
  5. jo mama

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    from what i have heard from people who have actually been over there is that its much, much worse than our supposedly "liberal" media makes it out to be.

    this is in spite of the fact that the bush administration has illegally spent $2 billion of our own tax dollars on fake news stories and propaganda telling us what a great job they are doing.
     
  6. basso

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    yes. and i'm old enough to remember where i was when jfk was shot.
     
  7. glynch

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    Basso, like McCain would still have us fighting or at least occupying Vietnam. After all it has still been less than a hundred years. Many more Americans and Vietnamese would have been killed if we had not withdrawn as the active war would have gone on for years and years.

    The American people were right to turn against the Vietnam War and history has shown it. Maybe Basso should go as a tourist to Vietnam. Neocons like Basso can be resentful that we are not still occupying Vietnam, but I think the Vietnamese and the American people are happy we are not.

    As we have seen repeatedly many conservatives can't see Iraq clearly because they are still fighting (at least in their own minds) the Vietnam War. Time to get over it and see that our retreat, withdrawal, defeat, whatever turned out for the best.
     
  8. basso

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    wouldn't victory and w/drawal have been better?
     
  9. pgabriel

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    who gives a crap, lives are at stake, this isn't the freakin superbowl
     
  10. Oski2005

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    This thread is like deja vu all over again.
     
  11. Oski2005

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    Are you willing to make any sacrifices of your own to accomplish that in Iraq? You aren't fighting in the war and am I wrong in stating that you are completely against the idea of NOT cutting taxes in the middle of an expensive war?
     
  12. glynch

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    No. It certainly appears not. . This is not a sports game. You've got to get beyond your fixation on "victory" or "defeat".

    If "victory" meant another few million Vietnamese and another 25,000US soldiers killed, 10's of thousand disabled, the subsequent needless drain on the American treasury of what would have been ain all likelihood an occupation that would have continued till today.

    I realize that the neocon imagination can conjure up scenarios in which we were just about to realize victory without much additional costs and relations between Vietnam and the US could be even rosier, but that is just imagination and wishful thinking.

    The type of wishful thinking that has us in the Iraqi debacle.
     
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  13. basso

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    isn't that what defeat meant, not to mention 2m dead cambodians?
     
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    The 2mil dead Cambodians were not a result of US withdrawl from Vietnam.

    Vietnam is better off today than it would have been had the U.S. backed dictatorship stayed in power.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    IIRC, the Vietnamese stepped in to stop the Khmer Rouge. Without American help.
     
  16. Deckard

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    Any retort to the question of Bush cutting taxes, several times, no less, during two wars for the first time in our history? Clearly, you support it. You are one of the most ardent Bush supporters here. If you were a pair of suspenders, you'd be holding up his pants.



    Impeach Bush.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    And if he were Guckert/Gannon, he'd be taking them down.
     
  18. nyquil82

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    you know the war can't be a good thing when the supporters of it are comparing it to Vietnam.
     
  19. basso

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    Of course I do silly. i support cutting taxes period. it stimulated the economy, which raised tax revenues. this is a good thing.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    I just skimmed this thread and don't have much time to respond but what you, basso, are missing and have always misunderstood is that the nature of war in a democracy is that it is dependent upon the support of the people. Considerwhy there are almost no calls for withdraw from Afghanistan as compared to Iraq. That is because the the American people recognize and understand why that mission needs to be supported. The problem with Iraq and Vietnam is that the American people didn't support it and in a democracy such a major undertaking can't be sustained without that support.

    War supporters like yourself tend to place the blame on the media when in a society with a relatively open press the media will always report negative stories as they aren't an instrument of the government and aren't beholden to them. The real target of your blame though should be the Administration itself for failing to make the case to the American people why they should continue to support such an undertaking.
     

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