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Terror in Kashmir: 26 Dead

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  1. Ubiquitin

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    India is blaming Pakistan for a large terror attack in Kashmir that killed 26 Indian tourists. The resort in Pahalgam, Kashmir has been described as the Switzerland of South Asia. Conflict and violence in Kashmir is not new. Kashmir was placed under an Indian military enforced lock down from 2019-2022 when India revoked its special status and effectively unilaterally fully annexed the state. Kashmir is unique as it is a predominantly Muslim state within a mixed state of Jammu and Kashmir within a Hindu majority India. Hindu nationalism is the standard now in India and violence against religious minorities in India is increasingly common. Because this terrorism was committed by Muslim Kashmiris, the online Hinduvata machine is pushing a campaign calling for retribution against Muslims by Hindus.

    I did not have a conflict between nuclear India and nuclear Pakistan in my cards for 2025.

    https://www.newsweek.com/india-suspends-water-treaty-pakistan-after-pahalgam-terror-attack-2063147

    India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan following a deadly terrorist attack in Pahalgam that killed 26 Indian tourists. The government said the treaty will remain in effect until Pakistan "credibly and irrevocably abjures its support for cross-border terrorism."

    India's foreign secretary Vikram Misri said Tuesday, "Recognizing the seriousness of this terrorist attack, the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) decided upon the following measures- The Indus Waters Treaty of 1960 will be held in abeyance with immediate effect until Pakistan credibly and irrevocably abjures its support for cross-border terrorism."
     
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    From the BBC:

    • Shock and anger are growing after gunmen killed 26 tourists in Indian-administered Kashmir. Some of those wounded are in a critical condition

    • Gunmen burst out of forests and opened fire on visitors with automatic weapons in the attack near the picturesque tourist town of Pahalgam

    • More details have been emerging about those killed. They include a honeymooning groom and a businessman on holiday

    • There's been no official confirmation yet on who carried out the brutal attack but some media reports say a group linked to Pakistan-based organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba may have claimed responsibility

    • Prime Minister Narendra Modi cut short a foreign trip to return to Delhi to meet security chiefs. He's pledged those responsible will not be spared

    • Kashmir, which is claimed by both India and Pakistan, has seen a decades-long insurgency against Indian rule that has claimed tens of thousands of lives - but attacks on tourists are rare
     
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    Who did we choose as our bestie between the two in...2025?
     
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    Whoever buys more US munitions.
     
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    I don't think we have ammo to spare with Ukraine and Israel stocking up. Taiwan is still waiting for their shipments.

    Do any of them like long duration Tbills that are selling like hotcakes?

    I wonder what happened with India's status in The Quad. I guess Pakistan is voted off the island since we got evicted from Afghanistan.
     
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cwyneele13qt

    India strikes Pakistan with missiles - Pakistan militarypublished at 16:30
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    Indian forces have attacked Pakistan with missiles in three locations, Pakistan’s military spokesman is quoted by the country’s state TV as saying.

    There are also reports of intense shelling and loud explosions in border areas of the Pakistan-administered state of Kashmir, according to Reuters news agency.
     
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    I haven't read much on Pakistan lately.

    Failed state and nuclear power isn't breezy reading on my already cheerful doomscrolling queue
     
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    In a conventional war, India is like twice as large as Pakistan in terms of personel and equipment and pretty much everything across the board. If Pakistan has something, India has twice as much of it.

    The only place Pakistan is the equal of India is total number of nuclear warheads.
     
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    In all seriousness, i hope they reach a naan-aggression agreement
     
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    suboptimal on the subcontinent.

     
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    not good.

    who's going to blink?
     
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    What does this gibberish even mean? Kashmir is a
    that’s footage from a video game
     
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    From 2019
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-49234708
    India's BJP-led government is hailing its decision to strip the state of Jammu and Kashmir of autonomy after seven decades, characterising it as the correction of a "historical blunder". The BBC's Geeta Pandey in Delhi explains why this has happened and why it's important.

    Why is Kashmir controversial?
    Kashmir is a Himalayan region that both India and Pakistan say is fully theirs.

    The area was once a princely state called Jammu and Kashmir, but it joined India in 1947 soon after the sub-continent was divided up at the end of British rule.

    India and Pakistan subsequently went to war over it and each came to control different parts of the territory with a ceasefire line agreed.

    There has been violence in the Indian-administered side - the state of Jammu and Kashmir - for 30 years due to a separatist insurgency against Indian rule.

    What's happened now?
    In the first few days of August, there were signs of something afoot in Kashmir.

    Tens of thousands of additional Indian troops were deployed, a major Hindu pilgrimage was cancelled, schools and colleges were shut, tourists were ordered to leave, telephone and internet services were suspended and regional political leaders were placed under house arrest.

    But most of the speculation was that Article 35A of the Indian constitution, which gave some special privileges to the people of the state, would be scrapped.

    The government then stunned everyone by saying it was revoking nearly all of Article 370, which 35A is part of and which has been the basis of Kashmir's complex relationship with India for some 70 years.

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    How significant is Article 370?
    The article allowed the state a certain amount of autonomy - its own constitution, a separate flag and freedom to make laws. Foreign affairs, defence and communications remained the preserve of the central government.

    As a result, Jammu and Kashmir could make its own rules relating to permanent residency, ownership of property and fundamental rights. It could also bar Indians from outside the state from purchasing property or settling there.

    The constitutional provision has underpinned India's often fraught relationship with Kashmir, the only Muslim-majority region to join India at partition.

    Why did the government do it?
    Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party had long opposed Article 370 and revoking it was in the party's 2019 election manifesto.

    They argued it needed to be scrapped to integrate Kashmir and put it on the same footing as the rest of India. After returning to power with a massive mandate in the April-May general elections, the government lost no time in acting on its pledge.

    Critics of Monday's move are linking it to the economic slowdown that India is currently facing - they say it provides a much-needed diversion for the government.
     
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    Reading between the lines, India’s response was more a controlled performative retaliation than a provocative escalation. India attacked terror or militant camps in Pakistan rather than any Pakistani military installations. And Pakistani leadership seems proud of the fact they were able to down four or five of the Indian jets during the defensive effort.

    This feels very much like the Israel Iran tit for tat last year.

    Much prefer that over what we’ve watched between Russia and Ukraine or Israel and Palestine for the last few years.
     
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    I just hope the United States stays out of it.
     
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    Halal Guys is a legit lunch option anywhere anytime. But I don't have the gastric fortitude to risk trying Indian or Pakistani street food.
     
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