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Terri Schiavo's Neurologists' Report Released

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  1. giddyup

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    Here's the link to the full story: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art...richard@triad.rr.com&l=143149_HTML&u=17048777


    Here's a couple of things that I found interesting:

    "Top Neurologist's Report on Terri Released
    NewsMax.com Wires
    Wednesday, March 30, 2005
    Here is a comprehensive report by Dr. William Hammesfahr, a world-reknowned neurologist, on Terri Schiavo's condition as of September 12, 2002:

    Re: Terri Schiavo

    I was asked to examine Terri Schiavo per the request of the Second District Court of Appeal. They requested that current information about her present medical condition be obtained. They also requested that an evaluation be performed to ascertain treatment options.

    Ms Schiavo was in her usual state of good health until 2/25/90, when her husband reported that he was awakened from sleep approximately 6 Am by her falling. He reports that she was unresponsive.

    Paramedics were called, and aggressive resuscitation was performed with 7 defibrillations en route.

    In the Emergency Room, a possible diagnosis of heart attack was briefly entertained, but then dismissed after blood chemistries and serial EKG's did not show evidence of a heart attack. Similarly, a pulmonary or lung cause of the disorder was ruled out in the Emergency Room after normal blood gases and Chest X-Rays were obtained. The possibility of toxic shock syndrome was also entertained. The diagnosis of the cause of her condition was unknown. Her admission laboratory studies showed low potassium level, markedly elevated glucose level, and a normal toxic screen without evidence of diet pills or amphetamines....

    .... Interestingly, I have seen this pattern of mixed brain (cerebral) and spinal cord findings in a patient once before, a patient who was asphyxiated....


    William M. Hammesfahr, M.D."


    I had always heard that she had a heart attack and that's what caused her problems. Do medical people use the word "asphysiation" to imply something purposeful or can it also be applied to cases of simple oxygen deprivation for non-criminal reasons?
     
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    I was asked to examine Terri Schiavo per the request of the Second District Court of Appeal. ... William M. Hammesfahr, M.D.

    It would appear that the Second District Court of Appeal did not find Dr. Hammesfahr credible.
     
  4. giddyup

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    Wasn't this report back in 2002? This is not the most recent examination. I would gather that the finding of this older report in fact kept her alive at that time.

    At any rate, the most compelling aspect to me is the finding of no heart attack all the way back to the immediate afermath of the event and that in conjunction with the findings consistent with asphyxiation.

    Why have we never heard this before? Or had you heard it?
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    From what I've heard Dr. Hammesfehr hasn't been found credible by most neurological associations.

    The report that has been most frequently cited for is by Dr. Jay Wolfson who was jointly appointed by the FL courts and Gov. Jeb Bush.

    http://jb-williams.com/ts-report-12-03.htm
     
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    What's the basis for the "world renowned" tag? This is the guy who calls himself a Nobel Prize nominee when he was only falsely nominated by a US rep who doesn't have the power to nominate people for the Nobel Prize.

    This guy claims that he can help people who are in comas, but he has never published any findings or results in a single peer reviewed medical journal. This guy is a huckster who has been been giving Terri's parents false hope for years now.

    Of course he has published some things online, but it's an online journal called "Lifelines," which is part of a website called MedForum. The site is registered to somebody at the exact same address as one of his offices.
     
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    Why else would it appear on NewsMax.com, the sewage tank of the internet?
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Read more about Dr. Hammesfehr here:

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200503290005

    I would gather that the finding of this older report in fact kept her alive at that time.

    It is my understanding that Terri Schiavo's parent continuous appeals are what keep her alive for the last seven years.
     
  10. giddyup

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    Then why did that suddenly fail?
     
  11. Sishir Chang

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    Probably because it was found to be not credible.
     
  12. No Worries

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    The appeals process can not go on forever, right?
     
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    My guess would be that you can't keep appealing court decisions forever.
     
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    Also, was this guy "Terri Schiavo's Neurologist?" He only examined her for like 10 hours. Weren't there other Neurologists who spent more time on her case?
     
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    I guess I'm confused. The date on this report is 2002.

    Did Terri, in fact, not have a heart attack in 1990? That is according to this report not a new finding.

    Is this finding of asphyxiation completely off the wall-- as some of you are insinuating but not saying outright?
     
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    There was one in 98' who said she wouldn't recover and that her"skull was only filled with spinal fluid, no brain." He examined her for 10 mins...He sounds like a quack. Did you guys know that she was generally responsive 3 years ago? She sat up, could drink, could move her eyes while tracking objects, grunt, identify her parents (although when it came to her husband she generally ignored him, hmmmmm), and even had some limb mobility...hell, they said she had a strong right leg. This doesn't sound like someone that's a total vegetable...she sure wasn't in a coma. The whole thing sounds strange. Poor gal. :(

    After reading the msnbc interview with cranford he says that 7 or 8 neuro guys assessed her and all said she was in a persistent vegetative state. I wish I could see their reports and her CT/MR scans, it sounds like some damn trial with everyone saying different things and proclaiming the others as quacks (much like the Steve Francis debates around here ;) ). Those damn HIPP laws!
     
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    No, they said they ran blood chemistry and EKG's and they showed no evidence of a heart attack on her 1990 ER visit.
     
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    Is Dr. William M. Hammesfahr by any chance related to Dr. Michael Hfuhruhurr?
     
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    Well, I was asking that rhetirically because the common "knowledge" is that she had a heart attack... when in fact she did not.

    Why is this finding in common with asphyxiation not more unsettling to people?
     
  20. Sishir Chang

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    I saw the CAT scans on TV and they show large parts of her brain gone. On the contrary most of the doctors who've said that she brain damaged beyond recovery and not conscious are the ones who've been considered credible which is why every court has agreed. Including ones made up of judges who are Republicans or have been appointed by Republicans.

    Find that very doubtful because if she could swallow they wouldn't have used a feeding tube implanted in her stomach which they feed her a liquified diet.

    All of the contradictory evidence to her state has been found not credible by the courts. Even the guardian ad liteum jointly appointed by the court and Gov. Jeb Bush agreed that she was in a persistive vegetative state beyond recovery.

    For those who believe she wasn't you have to question why has every judiciary from FL to the US Supreme court not accepted that?

    Is their a conspiracy that reaches all the way from Michael Schiavo to Antonin Scalia?

    Which is more probable massive conspiracy among doctors and the judiciary or that she really is irrepairably brain damaged?
     

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