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Terp fans forgive me...Trade Steve for AK47??? It works!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Marylandterps, Dec 30, 2003.

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  1. Marylandterps

    Marylandterps Member

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    G-R. Lopez
    G-C. Mobley
    F-AK 47
    F-K. Cato
    C-Y. Ming
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    G-Mo Williams
    G-E. Piakowski
    F-J. Jackson
    F-.Mo Taylor
    C-G. Ostertag
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    11.K. Clark (covers quick power forwards like Garnett and Dirk)
    12.A. Griffin
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    ir:
    1.Alton Ford
    2.Mike Wilks
    3.John Amechi (Until his contract runs out)

    Houston trades: PG Steve Francis (17.5 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.1 minutes)
    PG Moochie Norris (2.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 13.4 minutes)
    SF Bostjan Nachbar (3.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 12.7 minutes)
    Houston receives: C Greg Ostertag (7.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    PF Keon Clark (2.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.5 minutes)
    SF Andrei Kirilenko (16.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
    PG Raul Lopez (7.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.1 apg in 21.7 minutes)
    PG Mo Williams (5.0 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.7 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +14.1 ppg, +15.6 rpg, and +4.0 apg.

    Utah trades: C Greg Ostertag (7.0 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 30.9 minutes)
    PF Keon Clark (2.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.5 minutes)
    SF Andrei Kirilenko (16.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 3.3 apg in 36.7 minutes)
    PG Raul Lopez (7.5 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 4.1 apg in 21.7 minutes)
    PG Mo Williams (5.0 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.9 apg in 14.7 minutes)
    Utah receives: PG Steve Francis (17.5 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 5.3 apg in 29 games)
    PG Moochie Norris (2.6 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 29 games)
    SF Bostjan Nachbar (3.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 19 games)
    Change in team outlook: -14.1 ppg, -15.6 rpg, and -4.0 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED
     
    #1 Marylandterps, Dec 30, 2003
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Oh how I wish we had drafted Kiri instead of Kenny Thomas in 1999...and Ginobili instead of Venson Hamilton... :(
     
    #2 AroundTheWorld, Dec 30, 2003
  3. thumbs

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    Remember the face Francis made on draft day when Vancouver selected him? Now multiply that frown time 10 when he learns he is going to Utah?:D

    Pass (but not because of the frowny face).;)
     
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  4. Marylandterps

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    Agreed. Also Michael Redd instead of Dan Lanhi; Ronald "Flip" Murray instead of Tito Maddox; Earl Watson instead of Terrance Morris; or Jamaal Magloire instead of Jason Collier.
     
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  5. Marylandterps

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    Pass is right. We would have two young guards who know how to PASS first. In addition we would have 15 million off the cap next year to go after KOBE!
     
    #5 Marylandterps, Dec 30, 2003
  6. thumbs

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    The last time I looked Andrei Kirilenko was listed as a PF or a SF -- not a guard. AK-47 is a great player, but I don't think this would be an even trade. Oh, yes, I would much, much rather have Steve -- even with all his passing deficiencies -- than Kobe "Bare" Bryant.
     
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  7. Marylandterps

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    The two guards in which I referenced where R. Lopez and Mo Williams. Check the entire trade.

    w/ (an innocent) Kobe next year it would be SICKER trade in our favor.

    GR. Lopez
    GC. Mobley
    FK. Bryant
    FA. Kirlinko
    CYao Ming
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    G-Mo Williams
    G-E. Piakowski
    F-J. Jackson
    F-Mo Taylor
    C-K. Cato
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    11.A. Ford
    12.A. Griffin

    IR:
    1. M. Wilks
    2 M. Badiane
    3
     
    #7 Marylandterps, Dec 30, 2003
  8. thumbs

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    With the exception of Ming, can you dream up a smaller lineup? Pass x 2. Besides, what makes you think his Bareness would want to play in Houston rather than New York or Chicago, where he can get the massive amounts of media fawning to which he is accustomed? He chafes about sharing the spotlight with O'Neal. He would be just as jealous of Yao Ming.
     
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  9. Marylandterps

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    Smaller lineup???

    Besides point guard (Lopez 6-0'vs. Francis 6-3') what's are you talking about? Kobe(6-7') is taller than Jimmy Jackson(6-6'). We still would have Cato to use at the 4 if required; AK47(6-9')could be used at the 3 or the 4 spot and he plays much bigger than his frame... didn't he block Yao like 3 or 4 times??? In addition our bench would be deeper and taller w/ Malick Badine (6-11').

    We'd actually have a taller, more athletic, and smarter team w/ this trade.
     
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  10. Marylandterps

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    Kobe would still be the man on this team because you is NOT as dominant a player or personality as Shaq. Besides Kobe may feel he needs to play w/ the only center that can hang w/ Shaq to beat him. In Ny he wouldn't get past shaq or Duncan for that matter.

    Chicago would be appealing if Curry develops but Houston (w/ Yao) is closer to winning a ring.

    In addition keeping 15 million in the pockets wouldn't hurt either. Tracy McGrady will also be available.
     
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    IMO, changing 60% of our starting lineup is not wise. Read my sig. Have a great day, MT.
     
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  12. Marylandterps

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    I hear you - BUT this starting lineup had it's chance. How many playoffs do we have to miss? If Denver, Memphis or Utah squeeks in before us (Like Phoenix did last year) how will you feel w/ the status quo? Have a blessed day Thumbs. Go Rockets!
     
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  13. JayZ750

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    MTerps -

    I think you have the right idea. It is clear this team will never have the chemistry to make it all the way, and though the playoffs are my main goal for now, if you can't see yourself winning the championship, the playoffs are really pointless. This team will never win the championship unless either Yao or Steve become a top 3-5 player. It isn't going to happen with Steve. Also unlikely with Yao. I was a big Rudy basher but sadly it is becoming more and more clear that the problem HAS to be the two guys who have the ball in their hand 60-70% of the game...the backcourt.

    That said, I think the trade you proposed is great.

    We get AK47, whose ability as one of the better all around players in this league is becoming more and more obvious - and he's a great defender. You get two more serviceable big men - Ostertag and Clark, and you get a few serviceable PG's. Yes, you lose Francis, but will AK47 be the better (not flashier) player in the long-run? Possible. And you lose Moochie, which is great, while getting solid role players in return.

    Now, why would Utah do this deal?
     
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  14. New Jack

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    AK47 is probably a lot more untouchable to Utah than Steve is to Houston. It would probably take Duncan or Garnett for Utah to give him up.
     
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  15. Rivaldo2181

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    It's easy to say that now after you see how those players turned out. At the time, they went by the research the scouting team did and by their gut feeling. It's funny how you all wanna say we "Should" have done this or done that but at that time you people didn't even know who Kirilinko and Ronald Murray were.
     
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  16. montelwilliams

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    No way Utah does this trade.
     
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  17. GATER

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    I disagree. Cap considerations aside, Sloan and the Jazz may not want a Francis-type player (great athleticism w/o fundamentals and decision making), but I don't think it would take a KG or TD to pry AK47 loose. I could see the Jazz being interested in an Elton Brand type of player...solid, but far less spectacular than Garnett or Duncan.
     
    #17 GATER, Dec 30, 2003
  18. egn

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    I saw an interview with the Jazz senior VP of basketball operations on the NBA Insiders. During the interview, he mentioned that Sloan doesn't have much input on player personel. He said Sloan is more involved in getting the players he is provided with to play as a team. He also said that Sloan will give his input, but the personel moves are credited to the scouting system they have.

    But regardless of that, Francis is not enough to get AK47.
     
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  19. shawn786

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    Y the hell would Utah do this?
     
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  20. superjazzfan

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    The Jazz wouldn't do that, but thanks for the fun read.
     
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