Tel Aviv U VP: Sharon's Plans to turn Israel into the old South Africa

In light of all of glynch's posts about Israel.. I offer him two things.

First:

a whaaaaamburger


and Second:

 

Franchise, simply posting a picture of a broken record would have been sufficient!

 

Posted By Glynch

"The author makes an interesting point of how Israel used to claim recently it would make concessions if it had 7 days of peace. However, recently 6 weeek went by without a suicide bombing and no concessions were made by Israel. Sharon's latest caper with the Arafat compund is just another way to derail any negotiations. while he continues to build fences and settlements"


I've thought about that as well. There was six weeks of peace with not Palestinian actions, yet in that time span many "targeted killings" or assasinations were going on against Palestinians, in which even children were killed. And now, tanks surround Arafat's compound and seem to be goading people into attacking.

I just personally feel that Sharon does not want peace, he thrives in the violent times knowing that he can make more settlements and push and kill more palestinians out without any noise from the world.

People say Israel isn't an expansionist regime because the Palestinian territories are part of Israel, well then Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, are not allowed to vote, do not recieve the same rights are are third class citizens,

Quite the democracy.

And I think South Africa is a great example of what Israel is becoming, that is exactly what Nelson Mandela said as well.

 

glynch is no more a broken record than the rest of us here...you could say the same about me.

 

Very True MadMax,

Most of us have our views, and shouldn't be constantly ridiculed by others with differing opinions because of their views.

Every post concerning Israel is met with rolleyes, sarcasm or insult by the tag team of RocketmanTex and Franchise2001.

As much of a "broken record" as Glynch can be, you guys rhetoric and sarcasm aren't anything new to any threads. If you feel the argument is wrong, then state why. Don't goad or pressure people into not posting something you don't like.

Freedom of expression on the BBS !

 

israel can continue flouting international norms at its own peril.
the nazis (and the SAfr apartheid regime for that matter) thought they'd never be punished either. it will all eventually come back to bite them in the ass, holocaust or no.

 

you don't have to agree with me...i don't agree with the article you posted, for the most part, though it does force me to think about the issue a little differently...having said that, i don't think you've done anything in this thread that warranted the response you got.

 

You're right. I agree with you. Freedom of expression on this BBS has always been there.

You are free to post whatever you want.

I am free to point out how stupid your post is.

And vice versa, if you so desire.

The point of the matter is, Glynch and yourself always post Middle East articles that are brimming with Anti-Israel rhetoric, and I always find them to be, at the least, inaccurate, and at the most, insulting.

That's why I insult right back.

If you don't like it, don't hang out here.

 

Actually RocketmanTex,

I don't think i've ever heard an argument from you, just insults. So I really don't accept much from you. At least I am open-minded and am not blindly following and defending a group because they are the same religion as me. You, Franchise2001 and NJRocket all constantly ridicule Islam and then act completely insulted when anyone utters anything in regards to precious Israel. I, being a muslim, am insulted by that.

I am vehemently against most if not all of the muslim world governments and I realize their shortcomings, yet it seems impossible for Jewish people to do so in regards to Israel.

I think in some manner, Glynch is correct that to be Anti-Zionist is not to be Anti-Judaism. He is also right in that any time a negative is spoken against Israel, "anti-semitism" is decreed or the "hatred of jews" is stated, yet one has little to do with the other with the exception of anyone's ability to question the oppressive, violent actions of a country that to your faith is supposed to be a land of God.

I know you agree that Sharon and Arafat must both go, but isn't it telling that after over 6 weeks of peace from the Palestinians, the assasinations by Israel didn't stop, the settlements are continuing to be created, and more people are being displaced.

The Palestinian people now comprises the largest refugee population in the world. Quite the "diaspora" I would think?
And Palestinian's have curfews, cannot go to most areas, are 3rd class citizens and have very little to no rights. Sounds reminiscient of the Jews in the Ghetto before the final solution.

Its ironic to see a country founded by the survivors of such tragic events, be the perpetrators of such atrocities as those as Israel is guilty of.

 

Wow.. first of all, when did I ever RIDICULE Islam. Don't be such a hypocrite by saying that supporting Zionism is being anti-Islam. The only thing negative I have said about Islam on this board is when I strongly disagreed(and had fun ridiculing ) with Azadre about women's rights.

As a jew, I personally feel that being anti-zionism is anti-jewish(and many many many jews feel the same way). I simply believe that jews should have a place to be free from religious persecution. Does this mean that others should be made, as you say, 3rd class citizens? Ofcourse not. However, the muslims in the region have no religious tolerance. One example would be the desecration of Joseph's tomb. This small tomb outside of Nablus is considered to be a Jewish holy site. This site was completely trashed by muslims. The PA agreed to clean up the site and restore it. You know what happened? They marked the area green and now a mosque is going up on top of that site.

Let me be very serious now. You can't compare the Palestinians of today to the jews of WWII. The jews of WWII did not attack German citizens. They did not try to overthrow the Nazi government. Jews did not kill jews that "collaberated" with the nazis. The list goes on and on.....

and now.. to lighten things up a little

 

Patently unacceptable.

Use your open-mindedness to agree that BOTH sides are wrong. To blame it all on Sharon is shallow.

Actually it sounds a lot like the Catholics in Northern Ireland. Being a Catholic I have strong feelings regarding what the Palestinian people are going through. Onthe other hand I can see where continued attacks over DECADES have made the Israeli people a tad skittish as well.

 

Stop insulting my intelligence, Mr. Khan. You don't know a damn thing about the "Jews in the Ghetto before the final solution". If you did, you would know not to compare their plight with the Palestinians in the West Bank, since there is no comparison. When Israel begins putting Palestinians in death camps, gassing them in gas chambers, burning them in ovens, and performing sadistic medical experiments on them, call me. Only then will you or anyone else be able to justifiably compare the Israelis to the Nazis, as you did in your post above. Until that time, I suggest you get a clue and refrain from your idiocy.

 

wow...is that really necessary?

 

Thank you Refman. Your openmindedness is respectable and I commend you. I think you have changed me somewhat in that I try to back up my arguments with facts. You can never argue with someone's opinion, but you can certainly give them facts.

Honestly, I hate the fact that Israeli soldiers shoot people because they violate curfews. Shoot tear gas or tranquilizers or something.. dont freaking kill them. Also, I don't like how the gov't still supports the settlements. In order for there to be peace, they need to be stopped now.

F.D. Khan and Glynch, instead of being so one-sided.. can't we just meet in the middle with cold-hard facts. Let's stop with the one-sided articles(I know I have posted a few) and get to the crux of the argument. Stop with the "Israel is an apartheid state" because you can say that some palestinians want ethnic clensing of jews. One side is not good or bad, there are only human beings trying to survive. However, we need to seek those on both sides who intend to do harm to the other.

The real argument is: Can there be peace? I hope so. It could take a war(on hamas and other terror organizations), a removal of both leaders, or breakthrough negotiations. Any way the peace comes, we will all be in a better world.

 

When someone compares the plight of the Jews in WW2 to the plight of the Palestinians in the West Bank?

Absolutely. It fits the dictionary definition of idiocy in my book.

 

Wow...quite a compliment. Thank you very very much.

The one sided attacks is what has gotten us to where we are in the Middle East. Without all the one sided attacks there may have been peace long ago.

 

I think idiocy is a bit severe. But on the other hand, it was a horrible analogy and really shows a lack of understanding of the core issues.