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Teens Say mar1juana "Easy to Get" Despite Record Arrests

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Teens Say mar1juana "Easy to Get" Despite Record Arrests

    WASHINGTON, D.C. -- For the 31st year in a row, approximately 85% of high school seniors have told government survey-takers that mar1juana is "easy to get," according to the 2005 Monitoring the Future survey released today. The report comes less than two months after the FBI reported an all-time record number of mar1juana arrests in 2004.

    In today's survey, 85.6% of high school seniors described mar1juana as being either "fairly easy" or "very easy" to get. This "easy to get" figure has remained virtually unchanged since the survey began in 1975, having never dropped lower than 82.7% (in 1992) or higher than 90.4% (in 1998).

    Over the same 31-year period, the number of U.S. mar1juana arrests has varied dramatically, dropping to a low of 282,800 in 1991 and then beginning an almost unbroken rise to a record high of 771,605 last year.

    "The near-tripling of mar1juana arrests since 1991 has produced exactly zero reduction in the availability of mar1juana to kids," said Rob Kampia, executive director of the mar1juana Policy Project in Washington, D.C. "Prohibition of mar1juana for adults not only doesn't keep mar1juana away from children, it actually guarantees that mar1juana stays accessible to young people by giving unregulated criminals an exclusive franchise on mar1juana sales."

    "In contrast, look at the success we've had with tobacco, another product we don't want children to use," Kampia continued. "Today's survey shows teen smoking at its lowest level ever. Reports from around the country show that tobacco products are becoming less accessible to kids, and merchants can be fined or even lose their license if they sell tobacco to minors. Walk into nearly any store that sells cigarettes, and you'll see a large sign saying, 'Under 18, No Tobacco: We Card.' Have you ever seen a drug dealer with a sign like that? To keep mar1juana away from kids, the first step is to take control -- and prohibition guarantees that we have no control."

    With more than 19,000 members and 100,000 e-mail subscribers nationwide, the mar1juana Policy Project is the largest mar1juana policy reform organization in the United States. MPP believes that the best way to minimize the harm associated with mar1juana is to regulate mar1juana in a manner similar to alcohol. For more information, please visit http://MarijuanaPolicy.org.

    http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr20051219.html
     
  2. MR. MEOWGI

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    mar1juana should be easy to get. It's a gift from God.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    mar1juana should be easy for adults to get, but difficult for minors, which is the point of this article.
     
  4. MR. MEOWGI

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    I think it should grow everywhere like wildflowers.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    It pretty much does already, though the pot that grows wild has very little THC content.
     
  6. thegary

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    but...
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    Even the GAO says the government's numbers are "fuzzy"



    GAO: Data too fuzzy to measure drug war

    Although the drug czar says usage and supply are shriveling, a report says his stats are sketchy.

    By DAVID ADAMS, Times Latin America Correspondent
    Published December 24, 2005

    MIAMI - It has never been easy measuring success in the drug war. It's an illegal trade after all, and no one on Wall Street is tracking its performance.

    But now comes a disturbing new congressional report that raises doubts about recent upbeat claims by the White House.

    The 52-page report released this month by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, questions the reliability of key U.S. government drug trafficking data. Official stats are so sketchy and unreliable as to be almost worthless, the report says.

    "Data to assess whether operations ... contribute to ... disrupting the illicit drug market or the overall goal of reducing the rate of drug usage in the United States are problematic," the report found.

    Little effort is being made to evaluate performance of the 50 to 60 agencies involved, in violation of a federal law that requires them to be accountable, the GAO added.

    The report also warns that the diversion of military assets to Iraq and Afghanistan is likely to hamper the ability of U.S. law enforcement to intercept drug shipments in the future.

    "The drug war has fallen flat on its face," said John Carnevale, a former Budget and Planning director in the White House drug czar's office. "They are spending huge amounts of money, and they can't tell you if their program is working."

    The report has several potential implications for continued political support for current drug war spending, which amounts to $40-billion to $50-billion annually. It also comes at a time of rising political uncertainty in South America after the election last week of a coca growers union leader, Evo Morales, as president of Bolivia. Another anti-U.S. peasant leader is a leading contender in elections in Peru in April.

    U.S. officials have touted a five-year, $6-billion counterdrug effort in the Andean drug-producing countries - principally Colombia, Peru and Bolivia - as responsible for recent official estimates of a large drop in cocaine and heroin production.

    "There were those who did not believe it was possible to change the availability of cocaine in the United States," U.S. "drug czar" John Walters said last month during a visit to Colombia. "There's no question that's happened."

    Walters cited a 19 percent increase in cocaine street prices in the United States between February and September 2005, accompanied by a 15 percent drop in purity. U.S. officials argue that price and purity levels are key indicators of disruption in the supply of drugs, either due to eradication of South American coca crops used to make cocaine, or interdiction of drugs smuggled into the country.

    Some drug trade experts question such assumptions, saying fluctuations in price and purity could be due to increased demand by U.S. drug consumers.

    Critics of U.S. drug policy point to the GAO report as evidence that positive pronouncements by the drug czar's office cannot be trusted. "What this report shows is that we need to take the government's claims with a grain of salt, and a whole shaker in places," said John Walsh, a drug expert at the Washington Office on Latin America, or WOLA, a private policy watchdog.

    Walsh and others accuse the drug czar's office of putting an overly favorable spin on the fuzzy data, as well as ignoring less positive news.

    The drug czar's office sat on a November 2004 report it commissioned by the Rand Corp., a California-based nonprofit research organization, which found that drugs were more available than ever and that prices had in fact fallen.

    The drug czar's office turned around and commissioned a second report from the Virginia-based Institute for Defense Analyses, which found prices were rising.

    "They (the drug czar's office) lack credibility unless they can explain such a wide difference," said Peter Reuter, a University of Maryland drug expert who directed Rand's research.

    He noted that the Rand report was well documented and peer reviewed. Reuter said he was also "generally skeptical" of data in the IDA report. Accurate data takes months to compile, he said.

    Other critics point to the IDA's lackluster record in drug research, noting that it was dropped by the drug czar's office in the 1990s after alleged flaws in its methodology.

    Carnevale, who worked in the White House under three administrations and continues to support the war on drugs, accused Walters of trying to "simplify" data to meet preconceived beliefs. "He thinks the cocaine market is on the brink of collapse," he said. "We are spending all this money so the price (of cocaine) must go up."

    Officials in the White House drug czar's office did not return phone calls this week. But they have disputed the GAO's findings in published comments.

    "We have more data and more analysts working on this out of our office than anyone," David Murray, a special assistant to Walters, told the Washington Times. "We feel we have some of the best information in the world on the issue. We are trying to make sense of a business whose very core element is hiding from plain view."

    That kind of defense is wearing thin, critics say.

    Cocaine seizures have risen more than 60 percent since 2000, from 117 tons to 196 tons, the GAO found. But beyond that reliable data is scarce.

    For example, the GAO found a White House calculation of the amount of cocaine entering the United States in 2004 - 325 metric tons to 675 metric tons - to be too broad to be "useful."

    Other figures put the estimates far higher, noting that official data relies on incomplete satellite imagery of South America. Satellite surveillance cannot accurately detect newly planted coca crops and also has difficulty mapping small plots under two-thirds of an acre in size. Experts say coca farmers have increasingly switched to smaller plots to avoid detection, as well as sowing new varieties of shade-grown coca that are harder to see from the air.

    "We basically have no idea how much (coca) is being grown," said Adam Isacson, a South America drug expert at the Washington-based Center for International Policy.

    The White House also says drug use among youths is dropping. While this may be true, the GAO noted that the number of U.S. cocaine users remained constant at about 2-million. "Other sources estimate the number of chronic and occasional cocaine users may be as high as 6-million," the report stated. Critics say the White House has deliberately downplayed data on adult drug use.

    The GAO report also criticized the office of the drug czar, officially known as the Office of National Drug Control Policy, for ignoring previous recommendations for improving drug data.

    The GAO highlighted a 2001 report by the National Research Council, a private body of National Academy experts who advise the federal government, which was critical of drug data collection. While the drug czar's office spends $780-million each year to monitor illegal drug use and conduct research on drug policy, the GAO said less than 15 percent of this amount goes to research on law enforcement.

    "Funding for research on enforcement policy is minimal, particularly when compared with the amount spent on carrying out enforcement policy," the NRC report stated. "The central problem, in a nutshell, is that the nation lacks the data needed to inform policy."

    NRC repeatedly found that key data was "missing" or "inadequate."

    Its conclusion has since become a motto for those seeking to reform drug policy. "It is unconscionable for this country to continue to carry out a public policy of this magnitude and cost without any way of knowing whether and to what extent it is having the desired effect," the NRC said.

    It's still too early to tell what impact the GAO report will have in Congress. The drug war has long enjoyed strong bipartisan support, though criticism of the drug czar has been mounting.

    But drug policy critics do not have high expectations. "Too few people have the stomach to look at the seamy underside of whether it's working," Walsh said.

    http://www.sptimes.com/2005/12/24/Worldandnation/GAO__Data_too_fuzzy_t.shtml
     
  8. Dubious

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    What if everbody just sat around and got high all the time? Just gathered enough to eat to keep them alive, just built enough to provide shelter from the rain and cold. Too stoned to be greedy or violent. Happy harry ape men.

    Of course there would be no doctors or television.

    Would we be better off, or worse off?
     
  9. Saint Louis

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    Pot will never be legal in the U.S. The last thing the business community wants is a bunch of lazy workers. Anything that would impede workers from overworking themselves into a stressful, early death will not be tolerated. They want you to put down the bong and head for the nearest Starbucks immediately. Get your caffiene buzz and get back to work.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    Better off, without a doubt.
     
  11. GladiatoRowdy

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    This is the myth that the drug warriors would like you to believe. It is estimated that over 25 million Americans use mar1juana regularly and that the VAST majority are hard working, responsible taxpayers whose only foible is their choice of intoxicants.

    mar1juana doesn't make people into lazy "stoners" like the Spicoli stereotype, it is just that those lazy people gravitate towards mar1juana and are the demon that is trotted out to scare people into supporting mar1juana prohibition.

    I personally know a number of people who, at one time or another, smoked pot regularly while leading responsible lives marked by hard work, dedication, and success. Some of these people still smoke regularly despite being lawyers, CEOs, CPAs, and real estate brokers. The CEO that I know built a highly successful computer business, raised three daughters, sat on the local school board, and smoked pot on the weekends.

    If mar1juana were regulated tomorrow, the "estimated" number of users would go up some, but almost all of that jump would be due to accurate reporting replacing the "fuzzy" numbers that GAO lamented above. All of a sudden, we would have highly accuarate numbers regarding drug use, numbers that we could use to find policies that ACTUALLY get drugs out of the hands of young people instead of paying lip service to that goal without accomplishing anything.
     
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    whats your point?


    what if everyone sat around and got drunk all day?
     
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    mar1juana owns.
     
  14. Dubious

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    I had no point Robbie, have a cup of coffee and relax.
     
  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    Exactly.
     
  16. Saint Louis

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    They do, it is called college.
     
  17. thadeus

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    What if everyone just sat around in an office in front of a computer all day?
     
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    Better off

    I think weed is a so-called Gateway drug because the dealers have the means to carry the deadly stuff since there's a larger market for mar1juana. Decriminalize weed and it should be more difficult to push narcotics upon new users.
     
  19. arno_ed

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    I'm in favour of completly legalising soft drugs.
    When i look around i see a lot more problems occuring because of drunk people, then people who are high.
    with us soft drugs is legal, and i do not see people getting high all day, and never working again.
     
  20. RocketMan Tex

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    arno-ed....time for you to move to Texas and run for office!!! :)
     

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