Why? becus there is a reason why the Magic only won bloody 21 games last year. We can't blame Mcgrady for the reason the trade occured was becus of him even though he may have taken a great part in their dismal troubles. We all know the BS that happened in Orlando last season from all the articles and talk in the past 2 weeks before the trade went down about the Magic's pathetic locker room troubles, ie, players blaming each other for losses, lack of work ethic, scapegoating, heart, fake injuries, etc, etc, Why bring the Magic's locker room BS into Houston when we don't have to. We had to accept these other players, Howard, Lue and Gaines to make the trade work financially but once the paperworked was signed and dotted we can get rid of these troubling influences. Mcgrady for his part whether he was a major part of the problem or not, we have to reform him if he needs reforming -why we traded for him in the first place. But the other players Lue, raines and Howard were a major part of the Orlando's set up. These player may not have been the instigators of their blame game last season but i have no doubts they took part to some degree whether it was being silent when they should have stood up to diffuse or taking sides in internal squabbles. Again we don't need the magic's locker room troubles influencing our young and impressionable core , Boki, Yao, Mo etc with the exception of Jackson -he probably seen his share of this and can handle it, But Boki and Yao are still very young and impressionable, so when Lue , Howard etc start mouthing off after some losses do we want this crap to kill our what is left of our core? Again there is a major reason why the Magic won only 21 games last season and more than enough justifiable evidence that locker room problems were rampant in Orlando. Reports from last year included a game where Mcrady their star player got decked hard to the ground by opposing team and no one from the magic defended Mcgrady. With all the trouble of our core players last year, at least we stood up for each other when opposing teams were disrespecting us or showing up one of our star players, remember francis stift arming Stoudemire when he face washed Yao or Cato coming up to Z when he tried to deck Yao and cato going after Malone when he did the cheap shot on Boki during the playoffs. We didn't have much brains last season but we sure had alot of heart and team respect for ourselves. So again, when we have the opportunity to get rid of these other magic players in a reasonable trade we should grasp it and avoid the potential but probably disruptive influences of Magic casts off. There is a reason why the magic were dead last and in great part its with these players. The Orlando trade is not dead, further trade avenues with these players need to be explored or we'll waste one more unecessary year of more retooling when we find out that we have become the Houston Magics plus Yao, JJ etc. P.S. Even T-Mac didn't show any signs of enthusiam when speaking about houston's future with his orlando counterparts. what does that tell us?
Com'on, didn't Lue agree not to opt out so the deal could go thru? Now you want to dump him? His contract is not bad. About Gaines, he either has the potential to be worth the money or is a bust that no one else would want.
That was my concerns too. But, after thinking about it carefully, I feel better about the situation now. We have Yao, they had Declerq. We have JVG, they had Johnny Davis. We are Houston, they are Orlando. Feel better now?
I don't know ... after watching Wiesbrod in action the last couple weeks, I wouldn't automatically assume the players are the problem.
I agree the guy was a clown but how much influence did he have on day to day court activity, if there was such problems at the managment end would u look more to the coach than a GM who only signed up that season and had no long time tenure and clout to screw the players on the court. It was in most part the players on the court that screwed with themselves. when I compare the players that we gave up to the Magic players and their locker room troubles i ask why do we have to give them a chance with one season with a track record of the maqic and their public BS. If we're really cleaning house and going after a fresh start why begin that fersh start with tainted Magic players rather than players that have no baggage.
But, do you know for sure, that the Magic players we currently have are THE ones that were causing all those problems?
Hey HillyBilly Boy do u come from that (red) neck of the woods where your brother and sisters do the Whoopie! yeah i bet that would be the case. babelfish my ass, I write economic papers as part of my job profile. Just because someone only has 46 posts, there is an automatic assumption on this board by many senior members that he must be a poor pathetic chinese person that don't know a twat of basketball and wouldn't know a basketball from a frisbee if someone shoved said object in his rear hole. Jeez, the BS on this board sometimes, I reallly wonder why so many chinese from other forums and here always bring the subject of trading yao to or have him leave for LA, NY or such when his rookie contract expires. Maybe they feel that Yao being on said teams would give them a chance to talk about basketball with other fans (of the same like) in a more receptive climate without getting their throats slashed if they even hint about any critiques of other players other than Yao or trade possibilities and player movements. Maybe they would also feel an atmosphere where they aren't labled and catagorized a a YOF and mark their comments as a bunch of rubbish and basketball dung and like u did a bunch of bablefish nonsense. Hmm, i really wonder I don't at all claim in my statement that all senior members on this board portray such an attitude but many believe that having a trillion posts to their name must mean their IQ and Basketball knowledge must equal the same while a guy like myself and majority of people that registered on july 2002 with low 00s post have nothing to add and contribute to any appreciable degree of intelligence and relevance. Just sad in my eyes the trend in this forum.
you know, im not on the court seeing these players. perhaps JVG sees something in them. we have them, we might as well try and use them. if it doesn't work, then we can get rid of them.
that was my point, before the trade with T-mac ever registered none of us on the forum would even consider doing any trades to get these fillers but we had to, to get t-mac. none of us were calling out their names as trading possbilities before the trade with t-mac registered on the radar screen. we had to take them on to make the trade possible, but now we have T-mac these guys mean nothing accept bad baggage that will polute our team. Get rid of them for people that we Really want rather having to give in to the trade contract and keeping them for the foreseable future.
funny, ha, ha, we have to review Greenie every time he makes a major annoucement or attend a conference, if you weren't paid to listen to his speeches he can put u in a coma.
so you think we can just get rid of them like that? the reason orlando was able to get rid of them was because they were attached to Tmac. I'd be surprised if anyone out there would want Howard's contract. Howard the player is good but Howard's contract is not. with that in mind, just use what resources you got. We just reeled in TMac, so having a slightly overpaid PF who can probly give us 14/7 a night is not a total loss. but if you can find a sucker...i mean..team that will take howard and/or lue off our hands without us having to give up anything/anyone significant, i'm all ears.
patlabor1, When you start a thread here - you gotta deal with all comers. This is Houston - not LA or NYC - and that's a good thing. If you don't like what you see just start building out your ignore list - iteratively - if you know what I mean. This is one of the best NBA forums around and it's because of those run it and and the many that participate. And be careful or you'll start to sound like the people who you are accusing of being intollerant.
Your right, i was just letting off steam from Jacks who don't have any intelligent retorts but come out with one liners that its babelfish nonsense to hijack your thread. Being a junior member I don't think I have the ignore list option just like no search option. btw dumping these guys is hard as sted pointed out but if the numbers can't be matched on per person basis draft picks are good trade off in getting rid of Lue and Gaines. getting rid of a couple of the Magic players may have to suffice for it is a whole regarding the 4 players that if we keep all of them they only serve to reinforce their bad behavior and spread it to the rest of the team. Keeping 2 players diminishes the effect of their disruptive influenses since the rest of the houston team can counter any potential BS. Howard I am working on to see if the numbers match up for a trade.
how do you know they have bad behaviors? or how do you know that they bring some sort of bad lockerroom chemistry? this is all just hearsay. i'm pretty sure when they start playing and the team starts to win, any bad vibes will be gone. Winning cures everything...just ask Kobe and Shaq.
