I wanted to know what people thought Stromile would end up doing. I'm really getting worried because he's not talking. I think the Rockets are basically playing the waiting game. So... where do you think he will go?
That's what I thought... SO! Derrick, you tell us! I have a bad feeling that he will sign somewhere else...
It's real tough to guess with him. Almost everyone he is seriously talking to only have the MLE to offer. Apparently he's had discussions with NJ, NY and Houston. NJ has a trade exception, but it isn't as high as the MLE, so Swift would want more. Other than that, all the 3 teams can offer in S&T is mostly expiring contracts, which are essentially useless to Memphis, as the whole point for them is to get rid of salary and by default, taking even an expiring contract back would add salary. NY has some players they could move, by why would Memphis want any part of the contracts of Marbury, Hardaway, etc.? So if a S&T is done, I assume it would involve Memphis getting rid of a contract like Jason Williams. Fortunately for us, neither NY or NJ really need that type of player, unless they in turn unload a contract (and again, trading J-Will for Starbury would be pointless for a team like Memphis). The trade that made the most sense to me, for Memphis and for Swift, would be a S&T of Swift + J-Will for Mike James/David Wesley + Expiring Contracts (Weatherspoon, Baker). I could see JVG being reluctant to do this if it was Wesley, since Wesley was a key cog last year and though undersized, our only true 2-guard. So my prediction is he comes to Houston in a S&T Houston Receives: S. Swift, Jason Williams Memphis Receives: M. James, Vin Baker, C. Weatherspoon + 2 2nd Round Picks. Rockets still have the MLE and LLE to resign Mutumbo and Barry and maybe go after a some taller backcourt help.
yep... it's me.. so everything didn't pan out like I was told, but whatever. Sign and Trade won't happen with Swift.
Too much? Basically just giving up M. James and 2 2nd round picks for S. Swift and a starting PG? I like Sura better than James, but that is just my preference. Plus James only has 1 more year on his contract so that helps out Memphis more. And again, even if you still feel it is a little much, remember it allows us to still use the MLE.
Rockets-Grizzlies, same division. Why would they want to help the Rockets get closer to a championship?
So what? Now we should count on a Sign & Trade? Just kidding. I understand stuff happens. I'm sure you heard something......why else would you put your name on the line? Originally Posted by JayZ750 So my prediction is he comes to Houston in a S&T Houston Receives: S. Swift, Jason Williams Memphis Receives: M. James, Vin Baker, C. Weatherspoon + 2 2nd Round Picks. Rockets still have the MLE and LLE to resign Mutumbo and Barry and maybe go after a some taller backcourt help. I dont want to get rid of James either. I like Sura, but I would rather see Sura traded. Mike James is still every young.
I don't know what jersey Swift will be wearing, but I don't think it'll be a rox jersey. Unless we get really lucky, some team will offer up substantially more money than a mle contract in either fagency or a sign and trade. Swift will go for the money, it'd be an absolute shocker for him not to. And I think West would sign and trade SS to the east for an expiring contract and a 2nd rounder if it meant not letting him walk to the rox for the mle.
As with any trade, both sides get something. They get rid of Jason Williams, whose contract they definitely don't like and whose on-court play they only feel so-so about. And they get some draft picks. However they play it, they are losing S. Swift and Bonzi from their team last year. Memphis either loses Swift for nothing, or does a S&T thereby either getting some decently calued players in return, or more important in their case, getting rid of some players/contracts they don't want - the main one being Jason Williams. NJ has nothing to offer in a S&T except a TE, and it isn't big enough. NY has plenty of players, but any that would actually benefit Memphis? And why would NY want Jason Williams in return? Maybe if NY was willing to part with Quentin or Jamal Crawford, even though that doesn't improve Memphis' cap situation, those are actually players that may fit for them, but all accounts have NY looking to move Marbury.
This may be why we don't get him, and, frankly, is a fallacy of GM thinking in my opinion. Stop worrying about other teams, start worrying about your own. If the Rockets were to offer significantly more, regardless of them being in division, it would put Memphis in a better spot, they should do it. But I know GM's don't think that way...
If Swift wants to sign for the MLE with the Rockets, West can't do anything. Jerry West's bargaining power comes from the fact that Stromile want more than the MLE and therefore he would have to approve of a sign and trade. Swift doesn't need an approval from anybody if he wants to sign for the MLE
I think the reason a lot GM's think that way is because their are only 8 spots for the playoffs. Now it doesnt matter in the East, Sub-.500 teams make it but in the west Its anyones game. You can have a great record and still not get into the playoffs. That would be my reason for "shafting" another team.
I agree, to a certain extent, but it would certainly leave a bitter taste in my mouth if I were gm, team prez, owner, or even a fan of the grizz, and SS helps put the rox over the top because you helped him get there. I mean, when you look at the deal you proposed, which is somewhat reasonable, it's not like that really helps the grizz get better at all, while Houston gets a much needed talent boost at key positions. If I were a gm, I don't care about how my trades affect my playoff seedings or the teams I face in the reg season. I just don't want to help out a team that could possibly spank my team in the playoffs, esp with my own ex-players.
