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Surprise! "Temporary" Fast-Food Ban in South L.A. Becomes Permanent

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  1. rtsy

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    http://reason.com/blog/2010/12/10/surprise-temporary-fast-food-b
    Matt Welch | December 10, 2010

    Destroying choice in order to save it

    In 2008, we told you about L.A.'s allegedly temporary ban on new fast food eateries in its poorest neighborhoods: http://reason.com/blog/2008/07/30/las-circular-drain-of-a-politi

    In the impoversihed vocabulary of SoCal politics, it isn't a "ban," but rather a one-year "moratorium," which is the preferred method to introduce ever-stricter controls on what residents can do with their "private" property.​

    Fast forward to this month:

    New stand-alone fast food restaurants have been banned from setting up shop in South Los Angeles, due to rising health concerns by the city council. [...]

    "This is not an attempt to control people as to what they can put into their mouths. This is an attempt to diversify their food options," said councilmember Jan Perry.

    Perry's new plan bans new so-called "stand alone" fast food restaurants opening within half a mile of existing restaurants.​

    I grew up 10 miles from what used to be called South-Central. My first (crappy!) job was at a McDonald's, one of roughly 5 trillion chain fast food joints within walking distance of my house. While it was crappy, it was a job, and it's how California high school kids learned about work and money in the 1980s. I cannot begin to tell you how infuriating each and every aspect of this story is to me.

    The L.A Weekly points to some of the ordinance's landscaping requirements for any standalone fast-food joints that manage to get past the nannies:

    4. That parking for the Project is located at the rear or sides of the building, and partially screened from view from any public street by a minimum 36" tall decorative solid wall and/or dense vegetation of the same height.

    5. That a minimum of 7% of the total area of the surface parking lot is landscaped with planting materials and the project has a coordinated landscape plan that includes abundant trees and shrubs.​


    On a totally unrelated note, some unemployment numbers:

    9.8 percent: United States
    12.4 percent: California
    12.5 percent: Los Angeles County
    14.3 percent: The city of Los Angeles

    Top men are working on the problem, though:

    Under a proposal adopted last week by the Los Angeles Board of Public Works, nearly a third of workers on city construction projects must be city residents. And 10 percent of those city residents must be disadvantaged, meaning they are poor, chronically unemployed or lack a high school diploma.

    The goal is to reduce the city's unemployment rate and extend a hand to struggling city residents.​


    That oughtta do the trick.

    I wrote about "the Democratic way of prohibition" in our April issue. South Park lampooned the ban in an episode from the same month.


    South Park Takes on the Fast Food-Banning Nanny State

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    In the latest episode of South Park, "Medicinal Fried Chicken," fast food was banned in all of Colorado. Cartman, of course, ended up working for a cartel that imported contraband KFC. (The parallel story is that a medical mar1juana store opens in town and the men self-induce testicular cancer so they can get a prescription). Highlights:

    ·: Cartman going to a methadone-like clinic that dispenses KFC gravy.
    ·: Cartman visiting the Colonel himself in Kentucky, who kills Cartman's partner because he's an "informant for Jamie Oliver."
    ·: Cartman, pictured right, cutting chicken skin with a credit card into lines and then snorting it.

    Full Episode: Medicinal Fried Chicken [South Park Studios]
    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s14e03-medicinal-fried-chicken
     
  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I mean really if drugs are not legal then fastfood shouldn't be either IMO.

    I don't think it's a good idea, but at least it's a more consistent position of getting rid of things that allow you to hurt yourself when taken in large doses.

    Or am I way off?
     
  3. Qball

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    The issue is that fast food is not proven to be addictive like drugs. I don't think people eat fast food because they are hooked on but rather because it is relatively cheap and easy to get compared to cooking at home or eating at a restaurant.
     
  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I know for a fact that there are addictive elements in many soft drinks.

    I think HFCS is addictive and damaging as well.

    Also, I don't think mar1juana and its by-products have been proven to be addictive. Unless addiction includes repetitive behavior, in which case you can throw fast food in as well.

    In any case, I don't think any should be banned.

    Moreover, if addiction is a factor, tobacco and alcohol would be illegal. So clearly the defining factor is harm to self.
     
  5. Commodore

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    the left are the new Puritans, forcing their beliefs on all of us
     
  6. Raven

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    Then they have a lot of work to do, because conservatives have a 100+ year head start.
     
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  7. Sooner423

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    That can't be true. All of things cause harm to the user.
     
  8. Sooner423

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    You don't like beliefs? How about facts?

    Childhood obesity has more than tripled in the past 30 years.

    The prevalence of obesity among children aged 6 to 11 years increased from 6.5% in 1980 to 19.6% in 2008.

    The prevalence of obesity among adolescents aged 12 to 19 years increased from 5.0% to 18.1%.1,2


    http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/obesity/
     
  9. shastarocket

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    You know, there is no denying that children in America eat differently today however you cannot deny the other facts.

    I'm not old enough to know, but its been stated time and time again that children from 30+ years ago got a lot more exercise (walking back/forth to school, etc.) Beyond that, meals back in the day were mostly calorie-rich homemade meals.

    Fast food is definitely part of the equation, however by "banning" it you can't expect the local population to magically switch to a healthy diet. In my opinion, people will just get their crap food from another source (walmart, convenience store, etc.)
     
  10. Commodore

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    And people are free to consider/ignore those facts and make choices accordingly. But it's their choice.

    Don't coerce. Persuade.
     
  11. Nolen

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    There is no political party more concerned with legislating their morals on the rest of the country than the religious right.
     
  12. ipaman

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    so which is the political party and it's members that always blames or accuses the other party when something goes wrong? hint... it's a trick question ;)
     
  13. showtang043

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    Here is the thing about food regulation and some of the right said it shouldn't be controlled. It HAS to be regulated and more regulated now. I don't think control or banning is the right idea, but really show people what this stuff does to you. Many of the cerials we eat we think are healthy or even good for your heart bc a heart organization has approved it and that is often in the front of the box, more than a few times if you dig deep you will find out this heart organization is owned by that company that makes the cerial, its a conflict of interest and when you think you are eating healthy, your so called informed decision is manipulated by their freedoms when it is not regulated properly.
     
  14. RedRedemption

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    Last time I checked, its a free country.
     
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    Fastfood is expensive. When I stopped go out for fast food and started making my food at home. It got a lot cheaper. Just go check the grocery ads and go to the store that has the food you want on sale.
     
  16. Sooner423

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    http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/20100329.html

    It may not be a complete consensus, but there is definitely some scientific backing.
     
  17. krosfyah

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    I thought 'conservatives' were all about preserving local and state government over federal government. So here you have a local government taking action ...but you don't like it? Damn conservatives are hypocrites ...the whole lot of them.
     
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    A huge problem in many/most urban poor areas is the utter & complete lack of decent grocery stores. Hard to eat healthy at home when you have few to no options.

    Here's one story highlighting the problem:

    Closer to home, the Bread Basket Texaco station at the corner of Ross Road and Pearce Lane has one of Del Valle's largest selections of produce — recently the selection included one head of lettuce, about 10 potatoes, tomatoes, onions and lemons and a handful of jalapeños on the bottom shelf of a freezer.

    About a mile down Ross Road, the local Dollar General is the closest thing to a grocery store, with nine aisles of processed packaged food and half a wall of sodas, energy drinks and bottled water. The store has no produce, but a refrigerated case of milk, orange juice and eggs holds its healthiest options.

    For years, Del Valle residents have waited for a grocery store. The community of about 55,000 people is an example of a national trend of what are called food deserts — predominantly low-income, minority communities that lack nearby access to affordable fruits, vegetables, whole grains and other healthy foods and face serious health problems such as obesity and diabetes.


    http://www.statesman.com/news/local/in-del-valle-lack-of-grocery-store-has-1043574.html
     
  19. rtsy

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    You can and should disagree with stupid, statist liberals who want to control what people can eat, even at the local level.
     
  20. Commodore

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    Local control is preferable to federal control, but that doesn't justify all forms of control.
     

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