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Supremes: Guantanamo Prisoners may Challenge Detention in U.S. Courts

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  1. basso

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365851,00.html

    [rquoter]A divided Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.

    The justices, in a 5-4 ruling, handed the Bush administration its third setback at the high court since 2004 over its treatment of prisoners who are being held indefinitely and without charges at the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

    Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the majority opinion and was joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, Stephen Breyer, David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Dissenting were Chief Justice John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito.

    "Petitioners have the constitutional privilege of habeas corpus. They are not barred from seeking the writ or invoking the Suspension Clause's protections because they have been designated as enemy combatants or because of their presence at Guantanamo," Kennedy wrote.

    "The Suspension Clause has full effect at Guantanamo. The government's argument that the Clause affords petitioners no rights because the United States does not claim sovereignty over the naval station is rejected," the opinion readers.

    It was not immediately clear whether this ruling, unlike the first two, would lead to prompt hearings for the detainees, some of whom have been held more than six years. Roughly 270 men remain at the island prison, classified as enemy combatants and held on suspicion of terrorism or links to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

    Five high-profile Guantanamo detainees appeared in a military tribunal last week, where one, Ramzi Binalshibh, admitted he was guilty of helping plan the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, and mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed said he wanted to be put to death so he could be a viewed as a martyr.

    The case before the Supreme Court was brought by Lakhdar Boumediene, one of the remaining prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He's been there since 2002.

    After the court ruled in 2004, in Rasul v. Bush, that the prisoners were entitled to have access to the American court system, the government established a military tribunal process. As it stands, the prisoners can appeal adverse rulings to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. It is a process Solicitor General Paul Clement argues provides Boumediene "along with the other enemy combatants being held at Guantanamo Bay, [the opportunity to] enjoy more procedural protections than any other captured enemy combatants in the history of warfare."

    But the detainees' lawyers contend the current law fails to protect the constitutional rights the court said their clients were entitled to receive in Rasul. They want full habeas corpus rights, a constitutional protection that forces the government to justify in an open courtroom legitimate reasons why an individual needs to be behind bars. Also known as the "Great Writ," it is a universal right that was famously suspended by Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.

    Lawyers for the detainees argued the government, though the 2006 Military Commissions Act, unconstitutionally suspended the Great Writ for their clients. They sought a single remedy: a fair and impartial hearing before a neutral decision maker to determine whether there is a reasonable basis in the law and fact for detaining them. They have never received such a hearing, although this court ruled more than three years ago that they are entitled to one.

    The government contended the Rasul decision doesn't cover habeas rights and that earlier court rulings make clear that foreign prisoners held outside the United States have no such right. It further argued that the military tribunals passed by Congress are an adequate substitute for what habeas seeks to protect.

    Although Congress expressly chose to foreclose detainees from challenging their status via habeas, it decided that aliens detained at Guantanamo Bay as enemy combatants should receive administrative hearings before a military tribunal, subject to judicial review in the District of Columbia Circuit. That system builds additional protections upon those that are available even to conventional prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention, and it was designed to track the requirements for due process deemed sufficient for American citizens.

    Boumediene is an Algerian native who was living in Bosnia at the time of his arrest in October 2001. He and five others are accused of plotting to blow up the American embassy in Sarajevo. They were relocated to Guantanamo Bay in January 2002 where Boumediene remains incarcerated. He denies any involvement in plots against the United States.

    This case had provided one surprising twist. In April 2007, the court decided not to consider the matter but reversed itself in June. It is believed to be the first time in 60 years that the court changed course in such a manner. The reversal required at least five of the nine justices to grant review. Normally, only four need to agree to hear a case-and even then very few are granted arguments.[/rquoter]
     
  2. basso

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    some insta-analysis at The Volokh Conspiracy

    [rquoter]LAST UPDATE: As I (super-quickly) skim Justice Kennedy's opinion for the Court, it appears to hold that Guantanamo detainees have habeas rights, that these rights can only be denied through a valid suspension of habeas rights (under the Suspension Clause of the Constitution), that the procedures created by the Detainee Treatment Act were not an adequate substitute for habeas, and therefore Section 7 of the Military Commission Act is an unconstitutional suspension of the detainees' habeas rights. I'm sure I (and others) will have more to say about this case in subsequent posts.[/rquoter]
     
  3. DaDakota

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    It would have been easier to just kill them....

    DD
     
  4. rimrocker

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    Good.

    But sad the vote was 5-4. Should have been 9-0, but winger talking points even find their way into Supreme Court Dissenting opinions.

    Just to be clear, this ruling invalidates the habeus corpus vote by Congress...

    I'm still pissed at people for that vote... Fascist Repubs for ramming it through and pussillanimous Dems for not filibustering it forever and shrugging Americans for letting it happen.

    I never thought I'd ever see a day in this country when the Supreme Court had to overturn a law passed by Congress and signed by the President that limited habeus corpus. Unbelievable.
     
  5. mc mark

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    QFT!!
     
  6. basso

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    the 2006 law did not limit HC, rather it clarified what the existing limits were. in this case, the court has expanded The Writ to include foreign nationals, held by the US outside US territory. that's quite a new right, and one that i suspect will prove problematic if we are ever again engaged in a more traditional war, such as WW2. imagine if German POWs, held by the US on French soil, were entitled to a trial by US courts.

    the supremes did leave open the question of Gitmo's status, but the scenario i described above is not unimaginable after today's ruling.
     
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    First, source?

    Second, BS. It's not a new right unless you're a Douglas Feith disciple. And congrats on once again being opposed to the Founding Fathers (see below).

    Third, BS. The German. French, US comparison fails utterly as none of the detainees are citizens of a country we are currently at war with.

    Meanwhile, Greenwald writes well...

    And yes, the Justice Jackson quoted by Greenwald at the end of his well written piece is, appropriately, THE Justice Jackson:

    http://www.roberthjackson.org/Man/theman2-7-8-1/
     
  8. basso

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    common sense.
     
  9. rimrocker

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    OK, where did you get the info that your "common sense" derives from? Specifically, this:

    And speaking of comon sense, after a post like that, you don't get to appropriate Thomas Paine.

    He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.

    --Thomas Paine
     
  10. rimrocker

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    Thanks... but I misspelled habeas. :mad:
     
  11. halfbreed

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    This is a good decision by the SCOTUS. Habeas corpus is a fundamental right and holding detainees outside the country should not affect that.
     
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    Bush described the decision as "..one I disagreed with, from a deeply divided court." I would have found that amusing if it hadn't reminded me of another 5-4 vote by the Supreme Court, one he didn't describe as "deeply divided." The 5-4 vote that put him into office in 2000.




    Impeach Bush.
     
  13. El_Conquistador

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    Pretty sad when the libs celebrate a win for terrorists' rights more than they celebrate good news in the War on Terror... telling...
     
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    Almost as sad as someone who talks a big game but won't take Sam Fisher up on his bet.
     
  15. mtbrays

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    For you, isn't "terrorist rights" an oxymoron?
     
  16. DonnyMost

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    Its things like this that bring to the surface those who understand what freedom really means and those who are selfish, short-sighted, reactionary dingbats.
     
  17. Air Langhi

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    That is what makes us better than the terrorists.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    Well, there's also the fact that we don't behead people or target civilians with attacks, etc... but thanks for trying to compare troops to terrorists... :rolleyes:
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Nobody was talking about the troops, until you just now brought them into a conversation about terrorists.

    How dare you claim to support the troops, when you bring them needlessly into a conversation and compare them to terrorists, when nobody else in this thread has.

    The record is clear, you are the one who brought the troops into the conversation with terrorists. Nobody before you even referenced the troops.

    Shame on you.
     
  20. basso

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    wrong, the people of the US put bush in office, and a 7-2 decision prevented al gore from stealing the election.
     

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