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Supreme Court Fall Agenda Takes Shape

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  1. rimrocker

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    Supreme Court Takes Case on Race and School Admissions
    By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    Filed at 12:45 p.m. ET

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court re-entered the debate over affirmative action Monday, agreeing to decide if minorities can be given a boost to get into universities.

    The court will decide by next June if race can be used in college admissions, an issue that the justices have dealt with only once before, in a cloudy 1978 ruling that led to more confusion.

    The justices will consider whether white applicants to the University of Michigan and its law school were unconstitutionally turned down because of their race.

    The cases give the court an opportunity to ban affirmative action in higher education or say how much weight universities may assign to an applicant's race. The stakes are high because many public and private colleges have race-conscious admissions policies.

    In other action Monday the court:

    -- Said it will consider a Texas case over whether states can punish homosexuals for having sex, a case that tests the constitutionality of sodomy laws in 13 states.

    -- Agreed to decide if inmates have constitutional rights to jailhouse visits from young relatives and others, in a case that could have far-reaching implications for prisons around the country.

    --Turned down an effort to block specialty car license plates in Louisiana with the slogan ``Choose Life.'

    --Said it will consider whether California prosecutors can get around time limits on child molestation cases, agreeing to hear an appeal from a grandfather charged with sexually abusing two family members decades earlier.

    Affirmative action supporters argue that without policies that encourage diverse student bodies, the top public colleges in the country would not be representative.

    Opponents contend that those policies discriminate against white students, giving slots to less qualified minorities.

    ``We come to this with a great deal of trepidation because affirmative action has been under assault,'' said Theodore Shaw, counsel for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which urged the court to review the cases. ``Confusion isn't going to go away until the Supreme Court resolves this question.''

    Curt Levey, a lawyer with the Center for Individual Rights which is representing the white students, said black enrollment initially fell when race considerations were outlawed in public colleges in California, Florida, Texas and Washington state. But he said the numbers are increasing, proof that race does not have to be a factor in admissions.

    A divided appeals court upheld the law school's practices in May, saying the Constitution allows colleges and graduate schools to seek ``a meaningful number'' of minority students, so long as the school avoids a fixed quota system.

    The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati has not ruled in a companion case addressing the school's undergraduate policy, which was argued on the same day as the law school case.

    Justices took the unusual step of taking the case anyway, without awaiting a ruling.

    University attorney Jonathan Alger said the school wasn't surprised that the Supreme Court decided to hear the cases. He said the university believes affirmative action has worked well and ``we're ready to defend our policies in front of the court.''

    The high court has passed up other well-known cases that presented similar questions about the role of race in higher education.

    There was pressure from both sides of the debate for the court to intervene now.

    ``It is hardly an exaggeration to say that the court's decision in these cases will directly affect the lives not only of this generation of students but of generations of students to follow,'' Shaw told justices in a filing on behalf of black and Hispanic students.

    The last college higher education case at the high court involved Allan Bakke, a white man rejected for admission to a California medical school while minorities with lower test scores got in through a special program. The court on a 5-4 vote outlawed racial quotas. Justice Lewis F. Powell wrote separately that schools could still consider race, so long as they did not use quotas. Courts around the country have set contradictory rules.

    Only two of the justices who considered that 1978 case still sit on the court -- Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justice John Paul Stevens.

    ``Many questions cry out for clarification,'' lawyers for white law school applicant Barbara Grutter told justices in a filing.

    Grutter was a 43-year-old businesswoman and mother when she applied to the law school in 1996 but was not accepted. She said that she suspected reverse discrimination after seeing statistics about the racial makeup and qualifications of recent Michigan law classes.

    Her appeal, and the other one by two would-be undergraduate students, center on the Constitution's guarantee of equal protection for all under the law.

    Maureen E. Mahoney, a lawyer for the university, told the court in a filing that if the 1978 ruling is overturned, it ``would produce the immediate resegregation of many -- and perhaps most -- of this nation's finest and most selective institutions.''

    She said colleges are trying to improve learning with a diverse environment.

    About 15 percent of the first year Michigan law students are minorities. The Supreme Court was told that without diversity considerations, the number of minorities in a freshman class could plunge to less than .04 percent.

    The cases are Grutter v. Bollinger, 02-241, and Gratz v. Bollinger, 02-516.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    I can't believe this.
     
  3. MadMax

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    I remember reading the Bowers case in law school which tested Georgia's sodomy law. Pretty interesting...if I remember right, the court simply said that states have a right to say what they value and don't value...and thus, can pass legislation if the state finds the conduct to be morally reprehensible.
     
  4. Rocketman95

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    I can't believe this.
     
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    i don't have the case in front of me...but if i remember right, that's what the court ultimately said. i wasn't cool with it, either, rm95.
     
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    I can't believe this. ;)

    I believe you about the opinion though. I just can't believe that states have the right to say what someone can or cannot do in their own bedroom.
     
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    i agree...and yes, you can believe that!!!! just because i'm not cool with the conduct doesn't mean the government has the right to intervene.
     
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    Oh, I know. Just giving you a hard time.
     
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    In the sodomy case, I believe that individual rights and freedoms carry more weight than the social ills of homosexuality. While I remain a strong opponent to homosexual marriages, I think their physical movements behind closed doors is none of my business.

    I am happy to see some of these cases brought before the court. This is the one area where the Bush Administration can leave a lasting mark -- through the appointment of conservative judges.
     
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    How many of these judges are Bush appointees?
     
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    "Anyone here know how I can sign up for this Supreme Court thingie? I can tell where I am needed. And now I can speak from first-hand experience that Rocketman95 needs to have his private activities monitored!"
     
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    David Souter
    Clarence Thomas

    I was referring to W's impact on the entire judicial branch of government, not just at the level of the Supreme Court.
     
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    Damn free drinks at the Casino. :mad:
     
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    You said <B>can</B> leave a lasting mark, referring to the current administration. The two Justices you mentioned were from the first Bush administration.
     
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    The Souter/Thomas listings were sarcasm, rookie.
     
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    Here is what really bothers me about the higher education case. The NAACP and the schools are claiming that without the diversity policies in admissions that the number of minority students would fall dramatically. Why do they say that? Are they claiming that a color blind system would leave minority students at a disadvantage? That seems strange, troubling and FALSE to me.

    Here is the system I advocate...
    1) When applications are filled out they are done in duplicate.
    2) Clerical worker at school assigns a number to each app.
    3) Numbered copy of app omits name and race questions.
    4) Numbered copy is what is given to admissions committee.
    5) Committee makes comments like "Number 624 got a 160 on the LSAT."
    6) Once decisions are made based ONLY on the numbers and the activities,etc...the numbers are matched with the names and letters sent to the applicants.

    What's wrong with that system?
     
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    I'll drink to that. I just got back from the Aladdin casino. Let's just say that Mrs. Ref was not too happy with me. :D ;)
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    Not good sarcasm, towel boy.
     
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    HA!!!!!!! :D
     
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    The sarcasm was good enough to sail right over your head, amateur.
     

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