STUPID THREAD TITLE: jason williams or chris marcus?

ooo ooo, I want to reply before this thread gets shut down b/c of the title.

Damn, Jason Williams, whoa.

But.... Chris Marcus... hmmm...

I think you have to go w/ Jason Williams, even though it creates a hell of a logjam at the point. If you can't resign Steve, you'll at least get talent for him... and you'll end up w/ a better point guard in the long run.

That being said. What if you get the #2 spot... automatically giving you a big man. Do you trade Steve Francis for the #1 and extras? Remember, Cuttino is locked up....

 

OK, I can't resist .

Draft Williams and then let the bidding begin.

 

Draft Williams and let the bidding begin... for Francis and Williams?

It seems that most analysts think that Jason Williams has more potential than any PG drafted recentlly. And let's face it, Francis really doesn't seem like a PG... and we already have Cuttino at SG, who sure as heck shouldn't play the 3.

I'd draft Williams, then look into trading Francis if it's going to be difficult resigning him.

Of course, you could play with Cuttino coming off the bench.

 

ming! Unless of course you think our front line .... I can't even fathom another year of willis/cato kt and rice/eg. This is a truly pathetic front line. I am so fed up with it I would jump at the chance at trading mobley for a guy like ben wallace in a heartbeat - a heartbeat I tell you.

 

Note to Rudy:

Ming can shoot 3's ....

 

Drafting Jason Williams would be an abyssmal choice. No offense but that would be a tragedy for the Rockets. Despite what analysts have claimed, he's not the magic solution to a team's problems. He's a shooter first and foremost, and likes nothing more than to throw up shot after shot after shot. Passing is his fourth option after Shooting, Shooing, and Shooting. I'm positive he'll become an Iversonesqe player that looks to win games on his own while excluding the rest of the team in the offense.

Heck Duke's already changed his position from a point guard to a shooting guard because Chris Duhon has proven to be a much better defender, ball handler, and distributor, while having a slighlty less accurate shot, but a little more consistant shooting touch.

 

I am not at all sold on Jason William's skills. From what I have seen of him, he doesn't have any spectacular ability, he is just a steady PG who also has a nice shooting touch (think Mike Bibby). That's great, and lots of teams can use that type of player, but I don't see him ever being a perennial All Star type player. He just settles for the outside shot too much.

 

Ohh I'm not fooled by it, but I assumed it was going to happen last season but it never materialized. It's just that Duhon does a better job getting his teamates involved and hitting the open man. Williams has the sg mentality with a pg's ball handling skills.

I don't think he'll be Bibby like in the NBA, but more like Marbury in that he's looking to get his own at the expense of his teamates. If Duhon and Williams come out in the Draft in the same year, I'd say Duhon has a much greater potential to make his team better than Jason does.

 

Whoa, I'm not saying draft Williams to KEEP!

Fact is, outside of Juanny Wagner, Williams is as close to 'can't miss' as any player to be drafted this year. I can definitely see a 'scoring-challenged' team like the Bulls being very interested in a combo G of Williams' (and Wagner's) caliber. So will Washington, Detroit, Miami, and a slew of other teams.

Just a matter of drafting the best available player and then looking to make a deal, which definitely shouldn't be a problem.

 

Draft him, and trade him away!!!! I am not sold on what he can do. He maybe great but seems a little slow to me. I guess, I am just use to Francis' tempo.

trade down get the big man and an extra pick.

bye bye tread..........

 

Considering the Clippers were able to get Elton Brand in a trade for Tyson Chandler - who is at least 2 or 3 years away from exploding right now, drafting a Williams or a Wagner could concievably get us a great big man in return, if a team is looking to trade.

The problem I see is that when Steve comes back healthy, this team is going to once again make a push, fall short, and have the 11th or 12th pick in the draft, leaving us high and dry. Im not advocating throwing away the season right now, but I am advocating Steve take his time and actually return to us at full strength. It worked for San Antonio??

 

Doesn't Memphis get our pick if it's not top3? I think that stipulation should be rescinded since they aren't in Canada anymore.

 

GREAT posts Jaybird.

The praise Williams gets is unbearable at times. Doesn't it seem like he shoots more 3's than jumpers and layups combined?

btw: He's an average passer and creator.

I'd take Marcus.

 

Williams will go #1...2 at worst. While we may be in the lottery, the odds of us landing the 1 or 2 is pretty slim.

I say trade whatever lottery pick (if we indeed end up there) we have, along with Cuttino for the top pick. Draft Williams and move Steve to the 2. Jason Williams would be a top 10 point guard in the NBA right now.

 

First, stop with the vulgar references. This is ClutchCity.net, not Nakedcity.net. Keep it professional.

Chris Marcus, no doubt, we have two 2 fading centers, Willis will draw social security next year and Kelvin Cato will get paid for doing nothing every year.

We NEED A BIG MAN, Steve will leave on the next mid-night train if we do not fill the void.

Look at what Mutumbo has done for AI and Shaq for Kobe. Steve's not dumb enough to think he can carry the team without a respectible BIG MAN.

 

I disagree Verse...I happen to think that Williams is a superb creator. I think his talents are sometimes lost because he is SO much better than any of his teammates, they can't keep up with him. He is a very good defender and has a Cassell-like need for the last shot.

Believe me, I see enough of him being a Terp alum who watches a lot of ACC hoops...especially the Duke-Md games...uggghhhh

 

NJRocket, I hope you're exagerating because frankly I don't see it. He's not drastically better than his teamates. In regards to pro potential he may be the third best player on the team. I'd put Duhon and Dunleavy above him.

Make no mistake though, Jason Williams is an amazing offensive threat and can create his own shot almost whenever he wants it. But he's a good creator for himself, not his teamates. He's got a carrear 1.55 Assist to Turnover ratio, and it's gotten worse this year, being barely above 1.

Duhon on the other hand has a 2.88 Assist to turnover ratio, and a current one of 2.33. Which player gets his teamates in the offense more?

I disagree with your claim he's a very good defender. He's a decent on ball defender and very poor off ball one. He's prone to losing track of him man. He does have the Cassell like need for the last shot, and normally comes up big in the clutch. But frankly I don't see him living up to the hype he's gotten in the NBA. Will he be a good NBA player? Without question. Will he be a top 10 NBA point guard in his first few seasons? Probably because he'll be playing for a team that needs a lot of scoring and will be able to get big numbers. Will he be the magic solution to a bad team's recovery? I highly doubt it.


As for the possiblity of drafting a center, there are a couple options, in my opinion. Yao Ming would probably be the highest on the list. Marcus probably being the second, but I don't know enough about him. Can he run the floor well? How great a finisher is he inside? The big plus he's been touted for is the body to tangle it up with Shaq. But is that what we need to be succesful as a team? Would a slightly smaller quicker center be a better option? Someone like a Theo Ratlif style of player? I mentioned this before in the college board, keep your eye on Chris Wilcox for Maryland. He'd be a great addition, he's got size, and speed, plays very good defense and has great touch on the inside. If only he'd learn to shoot freethrows I think he'd work great with Griffin at the 4 and 5.