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Student Suspended For Speaking Two Words in Spanish in School Hallway.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Dreamshake, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. Dreamshake

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    Student Suspended For Speaking Two Words of Spanish in School Hallway.

    Spanish at school translates to suspension
    Controversy caused by Kansas City incident reflects national debate
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    Updated: 6:36 a.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005
    KANSAS CITY, Kan. - Most of the time, 16-year-old Zach Rubio converses in clear, unaccented American teen-speak, a form of English in which the three most common words are "like," "whatever" and "totally." But Zach is also fluent in his dad's native language, Spanish -- and that's what got him suspended from school.

    "It was, like, totally not in the classroom," the high school junior said, recalling the infraction. "We were in the, like, hall or whatever, on restroom break. This kid I know, he's like, 'Me prestas un dolar?' ['Will you lend me a dollar?'] Well, he asked in Spanish; it just seemed natural to answer that way. So I'm like, 'No problema.' "



    But that conversation turned out to be a big problem for the staff at the Endeavor Alternative School, a small public high school in an ethnically mixed blue-collar neighborhood. A teacher who overheard the two boys sent Zach to the office, where Principal Jennifer Watts ordered him to call his father and leave the school.


    Watts, whom students describe as a disciplinarian, said she can't discuss the case. But in a written "discipline referral" explaining her decision to suspend Zach for 1 1/2 days, she noted: "This is not the first time we have [asked] Zach and others to not speak Spanish at school."

    Since then, the suspension of Zach Rubio has become the talk of the town in both English and Spanish newspapers and radio shows. The school district has officially rescinded his punishment and said that speaking a foreign language is not grounds for suspension. Meanwhile, the Rubio family has retained a lawyer, who says a civil rights lawsuit may be in the offing.

    National debate
    The tension here surrounding that brief exchange in a high school hall reflects a broader national debate over the language Americans should speak amid a wave of Hispanic immigration.

    The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group, says that 20 percent of the U.S. school-age population is Latino. For half of those Latino students, the native language is Spanish.

    Conflicts are bursting out nationwide over bilingual education, "English-only" laws, Spanish-language publications and advertising, and other linguistic collisions. Language concerns have been a key aspect of the growing political movement to reduce immigration.


    "There's a lot of backlash against the increasing Hispanic population," said D.C. school board member Victor A. Reinoso. "We've seen some of it in the D.C. schools. You see it in some cities, where people complain that their tax money shouldn't be used to print public notices in Spanish. And there have been cases where schools want to ban foreign languages."

    Some advocates of an English-only policy in U.S. schools say that it is particularly important for students from immigrant families to use the nation's dominant language.

    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) made that point this summer when he vetoed a bill authorizing various academic subjects to be tested in Spanish in the state's public schools. "As an immigrant," the Austrian-born governor said, "I know the importance of mastering English as quickly and as comprehensively as possible."

    Hispanic groups generally agree with that, but they emphasize the value of a multilingual citizenry. "A fully bilingual young man like Zach Rubio should be considered an asset to the community," said Janet Murguia, national president of La Raza.

    Broad influence
    The influx of immigrants has reached every corner of the country -- even here in Kansas City, which is about as far as a U.S. town can be from a border. Along Southwest Boulevard, a main street through some of the older neighborhoods, there are blocks where almost every shop and restaurant has signs written in Spanish.

    "Most people, they don't care where you're from," said Zach's father, Lorenzo Rubio, a native of Veracruz, Mexico, who has lived in Kansas City for a quarter-century. "But sometimes, when they hear my accent, I get this, sort of, 'Why don't you go back home?' "

    Rubio, a U.S. citizen, credits U.S. immigration law for his decision to fight his son's suspension.

    "You can't just walk in and become a citizen," he said. "They make you take this government test. I studied for that test, and I learned that in America, they can't punish you unless you violate a written policy."

    Rubio said he remembered that lesson on Nov. 28, when he received a call from Endeavor Alternative saying his son had been suspended.

    "So I went to the principal and said, 'My son, he's not suspended for fighting, right? He's not suspended for disrespecting anyone. He's suspended for speaking Spanish in the hall?' So I asked her to show me the written policy about that. But they didn't have" one.

    Rubio then called the superintendent of the Turner Unified School District, which operates the school. The district immediately rescinded Zach's suspension, local media reported. The superintendent did not respond to several requests to comment for this article.

    Since then, the issue of speaking Spanish in the hall has not been raised at the school, Zach said. "I know it would be, like, disruptive if I answered in Spanish in the classroom. I totally don't do that. But outside of class now, the teachers are like, 'Whatever.' "

    For Zach's father, and for the Hispanic organizations that have expressed concern, the suspension is not a closed case. "Obviously they've violated his civil rights," said Chuck Chionuma, a lawyer in Kansas City, Mo., who is representing the Rubio family. "We're studying what form of legal redress will correct the situation."

    Said Rubio: "I'm mainly doing this for other Mexican families, where the legal status is kind of shaky and they are afraid to speak up. Punished for speaking Spanish? Somebody has to stand up and say: This is wrong."


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  2. Lil Pun

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    Since when is it a problem to speak Spanish in school? I remember we used to do it all the time in elementary with the few Spanish words we knew like "yes" or "I" or whatever else. This just seems like xenophobia to me. Idiots.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Oh, hell. This principal is an absolute idiot.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  4. Mulder

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    Ya no sh*t. That's probably because their lawyer told them that they violated this kids due process rights and opened themselves up to all kinds of lawsuits.
     
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    Dreamshake, hurry up and post the link so this interesting thread doesn't get locked...
     
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    On the cover this seems like a frustrated principal. But I want to here the rest of the story. The first thing that jumps to mind...if the student was told not to speak spanish and he spoke spanish then he disobeyed an order and should be punished.

    Its the fact that he was told not to speak spanish that is troubling, not the fact that he did and was punished. I applaud the administrator for following up on a threat. Far too many teachers and admins issue the hallowest of threats. Empty threats are a big part of why kids are so insolent.

    so I want to hear why it got to the point that an order had to be issued directing students not to speak spanish in school.

    I can, by the way, think of several reasons why this mandate would be laid out. The first parallels my industry and the predominance of foul language, spoken in Spanish, on Spanish speaking morning shows around the country.
     
  7. Manny Ramirez

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    I agree - this thread needs a link.
     
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    Does a school have the right to ask student not speadk in foreign language when he is not in the classroom?
     
  11. bobrek

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    I suspect a school can make up a lot of rules for students to follow as long as they are on school property. Now, whether or not those rules violate specific rights is a different story.
     
  12. pirc1

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    That is my point, I want to know can school legally do that, not if they make up rules.
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    woohoo! Finally more US/English domination.

    So really, if spanish is now being taught as a second language nationwide, why are they trying to supress it??
     
  14. rhadamanthus

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    Well - they are in Kansas...
     
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    Well, that pretty much explains it. :eek:
     
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    The school can make up as many rules as they want. If the students choose to obey then the rules apply. If students choose to fight the rules then they may get changed. For example, they can keep you from wearing pierces or wearing alcohol related t-shirts while on school property during school time. None of those rules are "legal" in the legal sense as there is nothing preventing you from legally wearing a Budweiser shirt to the mall.

    At face value, not being allowed to speak Spanish on your "own time" at school seems a bit harsh, and the school board quickly shot it down. I suspect there is more to this story as to the reasoning the rule was put in place to begin with.
     
  18. insane man

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    at the start of the century a third of US households spoke german.
     
  19. calurker

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    Those rules better pass First Amendment muster, which I suspect is far more difficult when it comes to banning speaking in foreign language than it is for banning piercings or t-shirts adorned with beer/tobacco graphics.
     
  20. Dreamshake

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    One tidbit that Im assuming most of you are missing is that, more then likely this is a high school the probably teaches SPANISH in a class.


    So the question becomes (if so) is this a rule for spanish people speaking spanish without authority?

    And how do you suppose to explain (if they do indeed teach spanish) telling someone they cant practically practice a taught class in this school? I mean do we really believe if he was speaking french, or italian in the halls he would of been suspended?
     

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