http://www.creators.com/opinion/john-stossel/prohibition-spawns-drug-violence.html Prohibition Spawns Drug Violence Visiting Mexico last week, President Obama said he will fight drug violence: "I will not pretend that this is Mexico's responsibility alone. The demand for these drugs inside the United States is keeping these cartels in business" (http://tinyurl.com/d4kjto). I don't expect politicians to be sticklers for logic, but this is ridiculous. Americans also have a hefty demand for Mexican beer, but there are no "Mexican beer cartels." When Obama visits France, he doesn't consult with politicians about "wine violence." What's happening on the Mexican border is prohibition-caused violence. A legal product is produced and traded openly, and is therefore subject to competition and civilizing custom. If two beer distributors have a disagreement or if a liquor retailer fails to pay his wholesaler, the wronged parties can go to court. There's no need to take matters violently into their own hands. As a result, in legal industries the ability to commit mayhem is not a valued skill. On the other hand, dealers in a prohibited product operate in the black market. Upstanding businesspeople stay away, relinquishing the trade to those without moral scruples. Black-market operators can't resolve disputes in court, so being good at using force provides a competitive advantage. Politicians gave us prohibition and created the conditions in which violence pays. This doesn't excuse those who commit it, but the fact remains that a legal drug market would be as peaceful as the beer, wine and whiskey markets. When alcohol prohibition, which spawned large-scale organized crime, ended in 1933, there was a brief upsurge in drinking, but America became a more peaceful and less corrupt place. We should learn from that, but we haven't. American politicians are largely responsible for the atrocities now taking place. That's not what they want to hear, of course, so they blame others. Their "solution" to increasing violence is to crack down even more on production and distribution of some drugs. This has never worked before, and it won't work now. Black-market profits are abnormally high because of the risk premiums and limited competition, so plenty of people will want to enter the business. Wipe out one cartel, and another is waiting to take its place. The high profit margins leave plenty of cash to bribe judges, cops and border guards. Even in America. When American politicians scapegoat drug consumers, they bring the court system to a standstill and clog prisons with nonviolent offenders who are stigmatized for life. Minorities bear the brunt of any crackdown. When will we learn that prohibition doesn't banish a popular product? It merely turns the trade over to thugs. The result is worse for society than if drugs were legal. After decades of the "war on drugs," anyone can still buy most any drug he wishes. Authorities can't even keep drugs out of prisons. Another aspect of this issue has been overlooked, especially by conservative supporters of the drug war: President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have promised the Mexican government they will stop the southern flow of American guns said to be used by the drug cartels. A war on drugs inevitably becomes a war on guns. Yet conservative Second Amendment advocates refuse to see the connection. Obama's drug warriors are happy to link the issues. The president says, "More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border, and that's why we're ramping up the number of law enforcement personnel on our border" (http://tinyurl.com/dk7hh3). That 90 percent figure has been repeated many times, but FactCheck.org says it's bogus: "The figure represents only the percentage of crime guns that have been submitted by Mexican officials and traced by U.S. officials. ... U.S. and Mexican officials both say that Mexico recovers more guns than it submits for tracing ... " (http://tinyurl.com/c6zbcz). And FactCheck says Mexico only submits those it already has reason to believe came from the United States. Once again the politicians show contempt for the truth as well as for freedom. John Stossel is co-anchor of ABC News' "20/20" and the author of "Myth, Lies, and Downright Stupidity." To find out more about John Stossel and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2009 BY JFS PRODUCTIONS, INC. DISTRIBUTED BY CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
We need to bring back Fran Fawcett and "City under Siege". That will get the job done. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GqsCSr2a1mM&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GqsCSr2a1mM&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Dems don't really care about liberty anyway so it doesn't matter (well maybe if they can tax it).
crack is on the extreme end of things, but theoretically speaking, if properly regulated, things like weed and ecstasy are much less dangerous then alcohol. Hell, ecstasy deaths are mostly caused by impurities and by dealers messing around and selling much more dangerous crap. even then... besides which, even in the most extreme drugs, the "war" hasn't done jack s*** anyways. I'm not saying that we should legalize EVERYTHING, but the ridiculous amount of money going into this attitude of "fighting" drugs is leading us nowhere. Cut the losses. Billions of dollars are spent fighting soft drugs placed in the same area as the hard-hitters because in our haste to "war", logic and common sense have just flown out the window. Users are treated like pariahs. Hell, in our paranoia driven from an eternal war on things we cannot defeat, we've outlawed industrial hemp just by mere association!
If you regulated cocaine and mandated that it be served as part of an energy drink, that would satisfy the demand for that drug without the problems that arise from the form of the drug known as crack. Crack was created directly because of the drug war. Dealers wanted an easily portable, disposable, measurable product that could be smoked. If cocaine were regulated as I mention above, crack would go away virtually overnight. There would still be a few people who would cook the drink down to powder and maybe even to crack, but those people would be few and far between.
I will ignore your partisan tripe and instead focus your attention on a wonderful speech by one of the most eminent conservative writers ever, William F. Buckley. The comments were made to the New York Bar Association in 1995, and many of the numbers have gotten worse since this speech was made. Here is the text of his comments... WE ARE speaking of a plague that consumes an estimated $75 billion per year of public money, exacts an estimated $70 billion a year from consumers, is responsible for nearly 50 per cent of the million Americans who are today in jail, occupies an estimated 50 per cent of the trial time of our judiciary, and takes the time of 400,000 policemen -- yet a plague for which no cure is at hand, nor in prospect. Perhaps you, ladies and gentlemen of the Bar, will understand it if I chronicle my own itinerary on the subject of drugs and public policy. When I ran for mayor of New York, the political race was jocular, but the thought given to municipal problems was entirely serious, and in my paper on drugs and in my post-election book I advocated their continued embargo, but on unusual grounds. I had read -- and I think the evidence continues to affirm it -- that drug-taking is a gregarious activity. What this means, I said, is that an addict is in pursuit of company and therefore attempts to entice others to share with him his habit. Under the circumstances, I said, it can reasonably be held that drug-taking is a contagious disease and, accordingly, subject to the conventional restrictions employed to shield the innocent from Typhoid Mary. Some sport was made of my position by libertarians, including Professor Milton Friedman, who asked whether the police might legitimately be summoned if it were established that keeping company with me was a contagious activity. I recall all of this in search of philosophical perspective. Back in 1965 I sought to pay conventional deference to libertarian presumptions against outlawing any activity potentially harmful only to the person who engages in that activity. I cited John Stuart Mill and, while at it, opined that there was no warrant for requiring motorcyclists to wear a helmet. I was seeking, and I thought I had found, a reason to override the presumption against intercession by the state. About ten years later, I deferred to a different allegiance, this one not the presumptive opposition to state intervention, but a different order of priorities. A conservative should evaluate the practicality of a legal constriction, as for instance in those states whose statute books continue to outlaw sodomy, which interdiction is unenforceable, making the law nothing more than print-on-paper. I came to the conclusion that the so-called war against drugs was not working, that it would not work absent a change in the structure of the civil rights to which we are accustomed and to which we cling as a valuable part of our patrimony. And that therefore if that war against drugs is not working, we should look into what effects the war has, a canvass of the casualties consequent on its failure to work. That consideration encouraged me to weigh utilitarian principles: the Benthamite calculus of pain and pleasure introduced by the illegalization of drugs. A YEAR or so ago I thought to calculate a ratio, however roughly arrived at, toward the elaboration of which I would need to place a dollar figure on deprivations that do not lend themselves to quantification. Yet the law, lacking any other recourse, every day countenances such quantifications, as when asking a jury to put a dollar figure on the damage done by the loss of a plaintiff's right arm, amputated by defective machinery at the factory. My enterprise became allegorical in character -- I couldn't do the arithmetic -- but the model, I think, proves useful in sharpening perspectives. Professor Steven Duke of Yale Law School, in his valuable book, America's Longest War: Rethinking Our Tragic Crusade against Drugs, and scholarly essay, ``Drug Prohibition: An Unnatural Disaster,'' reminds us that it isn't the use of illegal drugs that we have any business complaining about, it is the abuse of such drugs. It is acknowledged that tens of millions of Americans (I have seen the figure 85 million) have at one time or another consumed, or exposed themselves to, an illegal drug. But the estimate authorized by the federal agency charged with such explorations is that there are not more than 1 million regular cocaine users, defined as those who have used the drug at least once in the preceding week. There are (again, an informed estimate) 5 million Americans who regularly use mar1juana; and again, an estimated 70 million who once upon a time, or even twice upon a time, inhaled mar1juana. From the above we reasonably deduce that Americans who abuse a drug, here defined as Americans who become addicted to it or even habituated to it, are a very small percentage of those who have experimented with a drug, or who continue to use a drug without any observable distraction in their lives or careers. About such users one might say that they are the equivalent of those Americans who drink liquor but do not become alcoholics, or those Americans who smoke cigarettes but do not suffer a shortened lifespan as a result. Curiosity naturally flows to ask, next, How many users of illegal drugs in fact die from the use of them? The answer is complicated in part because mar1juana finds itself lumped together with cocaine and heroin, and nobody has ever been found dead from mar1juana. The question of deaths from cocaine is complicated by the factor of impurity. It would not be useful to draw any conclusions about alcohol consumption, for instance, by observing that, in 1931, one thousand Americans died from alcohol consumption if it happened that half of those deaths, or more than half, were the result of drinking alcohol with toxic ingredients extrinsic to the drug as conventionally used. When alcohol was illegal, the consumer could never know whether he had been given relatively harmless alcohol to drink -- such alcoholic beverages as we find today in the liquor store -- or whether the bootlegger had come up with paralyzing rotgut. By the same token, purchasers of illegal cocaine and heroin cannot know whether they are consuming a drug that would qualify for regulated consumption after clinical analysis. But we do know this, and I approach the nexus of my inquiry, which is that more people die every year as a result of the war against drugs than die from what we call, generically, overdosing. These fatalities include, perhaps most prominently, drug merchants who compete for commercial territory, but include also people who are robbed and killed by those desperate for money to buy the drug to which they have become addicted. This is perhaps the moment to note that the pharmaceutical cost of cocaine and heroin is approximately 2 per cent of the street price of those drugs. Since a cocaine addict can spend as much as $1,000 per week to sustain his habit, he would need to come up with that $1,000. The approximate fencing cost of stolen goods is 80 per cent, so that to come up with $1,000 can require stealing $5,000 worth of jewels, cars, whatever. We can see that at free-market rates, $20 per week would provide the addict with the cocaine which, in this wartime drug situation, requires of him $1,000. My mind turned, then, to auxiliary expenses -- auxiliary pains, if you wish. The crime rate, whatever one made of its modest curtsy last year toward diminution, continues its secular rise. Serious crime is 480 per cent higher than in 1965. The correlation is not absolute, but it is suggestive: crime is reduced by the number of available enforcers of law and order, namely policemen. The heralded new crime legislation, passed last year and acclaimed by President Clinton, provides for 100,000 extra policemen, even if only for a limited amount of time. But 400,000 policemen would be freed to pursue criminals engaged in activity other than the sale and distribution of drugs if such sale and distribution, at a price at which there was no profit, were to be done by, say, a federal drugstore. So then we attempt to put a value on the goods stolen by addicts. The figure arrived at by Professor Duke is $10 billion. But we need to add to this pain of stolen property, surely, the extra-material pain suffered by victims of robbers. If someone breaks into your house at night, perhaps holding you at gunpoint while taking your money and your jewelry and whatever, it is reasonable to assign a higher ``cost'' to the episode than the commercial value of the stolen money and jewelry. If we were modest, we might reasonably, however arbitrarily, put at $1,000 the ``value'' of the victim's pain. But then the hurt, the psychological trauma, might be evaluated by a jury at ten times, or one hundred times, that sum. But we must consider other factors, not readily quantifiable, but no less tangible. Fifty years ago, to walk at night across Central Park was no more adventurous than to walk down Fifth Avenue. But walking across the park is no longer done, save by the kind of people who climb the Matterhorn. Is it fair to put a value on a lost amenity? If the Metropolitan Museum were to close, mightn't we, without fear of distortion, judge that we had been deprived of something valuable? What value might we assign to confidence that, at night, one can sleep without fear of intrusion by criminals seeking money or goods exchangeable for drugs? Pursuing utilitarian analysis, we ask: What are the relative costs, on the one hand, of medical and psychological treatment for addicts and, on the other, incarceration for drug offenses? It transpires that treatment is seven times more cost-effective. By this is meant that one dollar spent on the treatment of an addict reduces the probability of continued addiction seven times more than one dollar spent on incarceration. Looked at another way: Treatment is not now available for almost half of those who would benefit from it. Yet we are willing to build more and more jails in which to isolate drug users even though at one-seventh the cost of building and maintaining jail space and pursuing, detaining, and prosecuting the drug user, we could subsidize commensurately effective medical care and psychological treatment. I HAVE spared you, even as I spared myself, an arithmetical consummation of my inquiry, but the data here cited instruct us that the cost of the drug war is many times more painful, in all its manifestations, than would be the licensing of drugs combined with intensive education of non-users and intensive education designed to warn those who experiment with drugs. We have seen a substantial reduction in the use of tobacco over the last thirty years, and this is not because tobacco became illegal but because a sentient community began, in substantial numbers, to apprehend the high cost of tobacco to human health, even as, we can assume, a growing number of Americans desist from practicing unsafe sex and using polluted needles in this age of AIDS. If 80 million Americans can experiment with drugs and resist addiction using information publicly available, we can reasonably hope that approximately the same number would resist the temptation to purchase such drugs even if they were available at a federal drugstore at the mere cost of production.And added to the above is the point of civil justice. Those who suffer from the abuse of drugs have themselves to blame for it. This does not mean that society is absolved from active concern for their plight. It does mean that their plight is subordinate to the plight of those citizens who do not experiment with drugs but whose life, liberty, and property are substantially affected by the illegalization of the drugs sought after by the minority.I have not spoken of the cost to our society of the astonishing legal weapons available now to policemen and prosecutors; of the penalty of forfeiture of one's home and property for violation of laws which, though designed to advance the war against drugs, could legally be used -- I am told by learned counsel -- as penalties for the neglect of one's pets. I leave it at this, that it is outrageous to live in a society whose laws tolerate sending young people to life in prison because they grew, or distributed, a dozen ounces of mar1juana. I would hope that the good offices of your vital profession would mobilize at least to protest such excesses of wartime zeal, the legal equivalent of a My Lai massacre. And perhaps proceed to recommend the legalization of the sale of most drugs, except to minors.
In case you chose to ignore Buckley's speech, I will point out that one of his biggest arguments is that the drug war removes liberties without any hope of solving the stated problem. Thus, it is not "Dems" that are unconcerned about liberty, but anyone who supports the prohibition of drugs.
Yeah, there truly isn't very any rational arguments supporting the drug war if any of those people support alcohol being legal.
Legalisation of drugs is the only way to deal with these problems. If you legalize it you can also regulate it and make sure it doesn't get out of hand. You can also make sure that people who do drugs buy it at trustworthy places (and not from some idiot on the streets who mixed some bad stuff in there). Furthermore you can make money of it (taxes). Furthermore if you legalize it than for a lot of people it becomes less appealing. I have said this in a lot of threads here, but in the Netherlands soft drugs use is legal (and selling also if you have a permit) and I have very little problems with people who use drugs. The people who use alcohol causes much more problems. Gladiatorowdy, are you Andymoon?
Even if you don't support alcohol being legal, there is no good argument for prohibition. We have conclusively proven that prohibition is one thing that will simply exacerbate the problem.
Your comments about cocaine and crack are 100% percent false. These drugs are entirely too addictive to users, and even more so, too lucrative to sellers. If most people knew how much a $20,000 investment in cocaine would yield back in profit, chances are, America would never see a recession again. Unfortunately, there is entirely too much money involved for this thing to be legal and a "productive" part of society. Crime and violence will always flock to the easy $$$.
Do you have any evidence or is this simply your opinion? I agree that crack, the smokable form of cocaine, is too potent and addictive to be sold to users. According to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, slightly more than 10% of Americans, 35.9 million people, have used cocaine at least once. 2.1 million are "past month" users, for a total of 5.8% of the people who have ever used cocaine and about two thirds of one percent (.677%) of Americans. If you assume that every single "past month" user of cocaine is "addicted," that is still an incredibly small percentage. The percentage would drop even more if cocaine were sold as part of a beverage rather than in powdered or smokeable form. My argument is that this profit should be used to treat people who develop addictions, educate people as to the ACTUAL harms of drug use and the dangers of abuse, and use the leftover money to fund Medicare and Medicaid. That way, people who are involved in drug use will be contributing to the overall health of our society. You made my point for me. In a prohibitionist system, the prohibited substances' value skyrockets and our ability to regulate them ends. In a regulated system, criminals do not have control, legitimate businesspeople and the government are the ones in control.
When I was a Red Rowdy, I wore Gladiator-esque armor made from 11 basketballs that I tore up and tied together. This pic is a little small, but I am at the far left...
Why is it that prescription drug abuse is on the rise? Why is it highly regulated?If im going to abuse a substance, its going to be a prescription drugs, or in your example, "crack lite served in a drink". Alcohol, tobacco and weed are a far cry from opiates. If it can't be reasonably produced in your backyard, then it doesn't need to be legal.
One major reason is that we are not tolerant of recreational pharmaceuticals. We have cracked down on the illegal substances to the point that some people (especially adults) will simply lie to their doctor to get whatever it is that they want. For the same reason that currently illicit substances should be. They can be dangerous when their use is not monitored by a physician and when the user has not been educated as to the proper use and signs of abuse. Yes, most likely because it is easier for you to acquire. Crack <> cocaine. Cocaine <> Vin Mariani (wine/cocaine mixture) or Coca Cola's original recipe The point is that when the vast majority of cocaine consumed in this country was in beverage form, there were very few reports of abuse. It was only after a racist campaign claiming that "cocainized n*******" were wantonly raping that it and other drugs were banned. You are the first person who has mentioned opiates in this thread. I am not in favor of selling heroin, morphine, or oxycontin. I would be in favor of prescribing those substances to people who are already addicted as they do in Switzerland and a few other countries. I agree that opiates are a far cry from the others you mentioned, I just wonder why you brought opiates into a discussion that has so far not focused on them. Can you produce Valium in your backyard? When was the last time you heard of someone growing their own tobacco? Your limit doesn't make any sense.