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Store owner shoots 14 year old “shoplifter” in back

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jun 1, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member

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    A very disturbing story out of South Carolina. Sorry on phone so can’t post all the text but it’s not paywalled.
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/us/c...outh-carolina-gas-station-shooting/index.html

    To summarize an Asian American store owner shot a suspected shoplifter in the back. The store owner Rick Chow, son said that Cyrus Carmack Belton was armed. A firearm was recovered from the scene but there is no evidence that Belton had threatened Chow or his son with it.

    Also protest erupted over the shooting with the store looted and damaged.

    As of now for me this killing does appear to be unjustified and even the sheriff was calling the self defense claim unjustified. This also touches on several subjects such as being a vigilante, firearms and race.

    In the 90’s there were several incidences regarding confrontations between Asian store owners and black patrons. That is why Koreatown in LA became a battleground during the Rodney King Riots. This incident could very well lead to a renewed tensions between these two groups especially since during COVID there were many incidences of Asians being assaulted.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    The fact they found a gun near the body is going to complicate things. Dead men tell no tales. Gonna come down to the video surveillance, if any exists.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    I’m still learning details but my understanding is there is video surveillance which is by the sheriff is skeptical
    Of the self defense claim.
     
  4. ROXRAN

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    There can and has been situations where a criminal has their back to you but can easily twist around when armed to shoot at you while putting distance to avoid an armed self defense individual. In the event, the armed person is twisting around and you shoot them they're gonna get hit in the back.

    I have a lot of respect for Asians - they generally don't change for the worse - they are generally against woke ideology- they don't change for the sake of nonsense- all you have to do is watch anime to realize their storytelling has zero identity politics/ and in the case of the 1992 riots, they had no problem defending their stores

    They wake up early when others might call it racist to do that- they take education seriously and they are very respectful- as a country we could learn a lot from the Asian culture- instead we have a crap load of white trash on both sides of the political spectrum- we have a culture problem with other racial categories- with that said, I don't know what the particulars are, but I don't think the Asian race should be denigrated at all
     
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    The evidence is still getting out but from what I’ve read so far there isn’t evidence that Belton was actually in position to be shooting at Chow. A firearm was recovered from the scene but not clear if even had it in his hand at the time of being shot.
    I’m not a big anime fan but even I know a lot of anime has LGBTQ themes and characters. There are actually trans characters in a lot of anime.
    Honestly this reads as one of those things that is meant to be complimentary but is actually patronizing. It comes off as Asians are just the quiet hardworking ones who don’t cause troubles. Yes many Asians are hardworking and many are quiet. Asians aren’t all the same also. The history of Asian Americans isn’t just about quiet industrious people getting by but also about facing legalized discrimination through Exclusion Acts and internment. Even now we’re seeing laws passed against allowing Chinese and other Asian immigrants from owning property in the US.
     
  6. ROXRAN

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    [QUOTE="rocketsjudoka, post: 14661047, member: 24870

    I’m not a big anime fan but even I know a lot of anime has LGBTQ themes and characters. There are actually trans characters in a lot of anime.

    Honestly this reads as one of those things that is meant to be complimentary but is actually patronizing. .[/QUOTE]
    The reason I think anime hits different is I have no problem with inclusion, but I think there's distinct differences with woke identity politics - you can have tomo chan is a girl that you could say had LGBTQ themes to an extent but the content was not driven. That's the difference that I'm seeing- while the tomboy girl was strong - she was not seen is overpowering compared to her boyfriend at the same age, which is honestly realistic- you don't see that in she hulk where the girl always outdoes the male counterpart- also eminence in shadow- the male character dominates everyone whether they are female or male...wouldn't see that in a Disney I really don't think. -

    I'm seeing a distinct difference in the content between Marvel/Disney vs anime in general - just my perspective

    Also, I'm not being patronizing -a lot of statistics back up the achievements of Asians in regards to education and life choices- I apologize if I came off that way, but it's simply a fact it's not imaginary it's verified- now is every Asian the same way of course not there's going to be good and bad with every category of human in existence- but from numerical analysis- my point still stands
     
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    Re woke: Part of it is that American culture swings in extremes as it tries to figure itself out while getting along with its neighbors. Asian countries in general are more homogenous and many east asian countries share a collective rather than individualist culture. Thailand is very "progressive" in terms of fluid gender. Taiwan has been relaxing its oppression of homosexuality but many countries are fine with their status quo. Asians don't share the same views as a collective race. We're all better off for that...

    Anyhow, he should be tried and is likely guilty. We're starting to claim "words literally hurt", but the good ol defense where "threatening behavior" by race justifies murder has to be shattered.

    You can't aim and shoot someone in the back because you're a wannabe extra in a cowboy western. I'm guessing even the gun lovers here would agree possessing a firearm needs mandatory training on usage and the law.

    Even if it is a 14 yr old armed with a firearm. (wtf)
     
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    Interested in learning the findings once they’ve had more time to conduct their investigation.
     
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    I think that is completely fair. Normally, I don't agree with you but here I can't disagree.
     
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    In all likelihood, the shooting was not justified there are situations where shooting someone in the back is justified especially if the perpetrator is twisting around to shoot at an innocent person, but that is not often the typical situation I would agree
     
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    If the victim had a gun out, that would likely be in self defense. The store owner was chasing him with a gun after he DIDN'T shoplift. If he drew a gun to defend himself, it seems like that would qualify.
     
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    I also believe we need to do a better job of treating people based on a blind eye, but that also cuts both ways... if a group of students do well in school then they should be commended based on the blind eye regardless of race and let the chips fall as they should
     
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    Kids are scary now since they have crap parents

     
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    made me think of this:

     
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  15. ROXRAN

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    Maybe Thanos had the right idea - snap half the world's population away - half problems solved lol
     
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  16. tinman

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    I’m in favor of AI policing the world
    You start looting and terminators and Robocops mowing down looters ?!

    Id buy that for a dollar
    @Xerobull
     
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    A lot of these cases are people making bad decisions based on frustration with the enforcement of laws. Store owners, small-business owners, break and you get things like this. This store owner was like, enough is enough, and killed the kid thinking of all the past thieves that have stolen from him.
     
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    Dude might want to add this to his Spotify playlist, cause he gonna be living it soon:

     
  19. JuanValdez

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    Kid was being chased by a guy with a gun. If anyone has a right to self defense in that situation, it's the kid.
     
  20. Buck Turgidson

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    Yeah, there's really nothing to say until the camera footage and more information comes out
     
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