Muslim Law????? I am beginning to seriously think that the spread of the Muslim religion throughout poor countries is a cancer that we should be trying to stop. It is the new Domino theory.....and talk about Backwards.... SHEESH !! I know other religions had similar issues, but when is the Muslim craze going to come into the 21st..no, the 20th..no...at least the 19th century? DD
Could an argument be made that we are living throught the "growing pains" of Islam. Christianity went through violent growing pains in the middle ages, perhaps this is the "middle ages" for Islam. Most things find a "center" eventually. Eventually the radicals will give way to the peaceful when the general masses see that the radical doesn't work in the long run. I guess we can only hope that the "growing pains" of Islam don't take as long as Christianity, and that the peaceful sects will calm everybody back down.
For those too lazy to click a link... DD __________________________________________________ Nigerian stoning sentence overturned Islamic court acquits woman facing death for adultery KATSINA, Nigeria, Sept. 25 — A single mother facing death by stoning for adultery had her sentence overturned by an Islamic appeals court Thursday in a case that has sparked international outrage.A five-judge panel rejected the sentence against 32-year-old Amina Lawal, saying she was not caught in the act of adultery and she was not given “ample opportunity to defend herself.” IF THE SENTENCE had been carried out, the single mother would have been the first woman stoned to death since 12 northern states first began adopting strict Islamic law, or Shariah, in 1999. Lawal, wrapped in a light orange veil, sat on a stone bench, eyes downcast, cradling her nearly 2-year-old daughter as the ruling was announced at the Katsina State Shariah Court of Appeals under heavy security. The judges read their verdict, which is final, inside a tiny blue-walled courtroom equipped with ceiling fans to ease the sweltering heat. Lawal was first convicted in March 2002 following the birth of her daughter two years after she divorced her husband. Judges rejected Lawal’s first appeal in August 2002. In an hour-long hearing, the panel said Lawal was not caught in the act of adultery and wasn’t given enough time to understand the charges against her. It also cited procedural errors, including that only one judge was present at her initial conviction in March 2002, instead of the three required under Islamic law. WORLD OUTRAGE The case had drawn sharp criticism from international rights groups. Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo’s government and world leaders had called for Lawal to be spared. Last week, Brazil even offered her asylum. Few believed the brutal sentence — in which Lawal would have been buried up to her neck in sand and executed by stoning — would ever be carried out. Stoning sentence raises global issues Francois Cantier, a lawyer with French group Avocats Sans Frontieres, or Lawyers Without Borders, said the punishment was contrary to the Nigerian constitution and would violate international treaties against torture. Prosecutors argued Lawal’s child was living proof she committed a crime under Shariah. But lead defense lawyer Aliyu Musa Yawuri said that under some interpretations of Shariah, babies can remain in gestation in a mother’s womb for five years, opening the possibility her ex-husband could have fathered the child. Advertisement He also argued Lawal’s case should be dropped because no lawyers were present when she first testified that she had slept with another man following her divorce. Yawuri said Lawal — a poor, uneducated woman from a rural family — didn’t understand the charges against her at the time. FOUR MORE STONING SENTENCES Lawal has identified her alleged sexual partner, Yahaya Mohammed, and said he promised to marry her. Mohammed, who would also have faced a stoning sentence, has denied any impropriety and has been acquitted for lack of evidence. Lawal is the second Nigerian woman to be condemned to death for having sex out of wedlock under Islamic law. The first woman, Safiya Hussaini, had her sentence overturned in March on her first appeal in the city of Sokoto. The introduction of strict Islamic law in a dozen northern states triggered violent clashes between Christians and Muslims that killed thousands. Four other people have been sentenced to stoning deaths. Two have been acquitted, and two others — a pair of lovers — are awaiting rulings. Also under Shariah punishments, one man has been hanged for killing a woman and her two children. Muslim authorities have amputated the hands of three others for stealing respectively, a goat, a cow and three bicycles. Despite such harsh sentences, the majority of Muslims in the predominantly Islamic north have welcomed the implementation of Shariah, saying it’s a key part of their religion and discourages crime.
So, the important thing is that they're using stones, right? If they killed her with an electrical current or with an IV poison, that would be cool, right? Cause that's what we do.
I think the U.S. usually only kills people that murder and rape. This lady just had some sex outside of marriage. Slightly different circumstances, I think.
Absolutely true. So I think we are appalled at the law more than we are the stone-mediated act of execution. Just my 2 cents.
I think it is both - I am against the death penalty in general, but I would think that one dies a faster and possibly less painful death in the case of a lethal injection (again, I am against that as well) than when people throw stones at you, in which case I could imagine that death results only after a while and after enduring significant pain.
Relegion and govt don't mix. Neither does following the laws of religious doctrine as strictly as possible. The Old Testement has some pretty horrible laws in it too, good thing we don't follow those laws. Now if we made laws based on the New testement, some people might start to call Jesus a commie.
Oski, Exactly. Religion is a means to control, and the Muslim religion is sure contributing more of it's fair share of wackos...and unfortunatly a lot of them are in their own governments..... DD
hold on a second there before we give up on this stoning thing I think it is cheaper and more of a deterent that Lethal Injections Perhaps it just needs to be used on DIFFERENT offenders I still think PUBLIC CANINGS for various crimes would be GREAT Vandalism would go down I think the drug situation would have some major changes Rocket River
Here if you catch her in the act and kill her . . .you may get off [CRIME OF PASSION] It just is not a automatic Rocket River This is actually i pretty appalling situation HOWEVER - I bet the amount of adultry is far less than here
About the canings? Yes in a sense about the Stoning? No - I'm not Pro-Death Penalty - though I think some things are deserving of it [Jeff Dahmer] Rocket River Actually I have been thinking on the whole Crime and Punishment thing. What we doing now is not working to my liking so I'm just going over the different avenues and possibilities in my mind I look around the world for various solutions. . . .
I am not positive of this, but I believe people are free in Nigeria to move to the Southern non-Muslim ruled areas. If someone wants to live in a religious state, they should have that right as long as they accept the consequences and that people outside religion are free to leave this area with just compensation. I also believe any country with multiple religions should have a government blind to religion.
@dadacota Read these verses from the holy quran , 2 no if the GREAT religion of this GREAT book is a cancer like u said or not .. -Fyi : the holy quran revealed like 1400 years ago alhijr ( verse 22 ) And We send the FECUNDATING WINDS, then cause the rain to descend from the sky, therewith providing you with water (in abundance), though ye are not the guardians of its stores. -The science found that out like 100 years ago ( I dunno when it was discovered exactly that’s y I said ( like 100 ) Alnoor ( verse 40 ) Or (the Unbelievers' state) is like the depths of darkness in a vast DEEP OCEAN , OVERWHELMED WITH BILLOW AND BILLOW topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hand, he can hardly see it! For any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light! -OF COURSE science didn’t know this 1400 yrs ago not even 1000 yrs ago , who did know about this BACK THEN … ONLY MUSLIMS KNEW THAT THERE R 2 WAVES IN THE SEA Alnahl ( verses 68 – 69 ) [68] And thy Lord taught the Bee to build its cells in hills , on trees, and in (men's) habitations; [69] Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: THERE ISSUES FROM THEIR BODIES A DRINK OF VARYING COLOURS , WHEREIN IS HEALING FOR MEN : verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought -and .. OF COURSE THESE R NOT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE , AND IM SURE ABOUT THAT ( WITH RESPECT ) ( Religion is a means to control, and the Muslim religion is sure contributing more of it's fair share of wackos...and unfortunatly a lot of them are in their own governments ) Can u explain this plz ? I didn’t get these words : contributing – wackos . @Supermac34 (Eventually the radicals will give way to the peaceful when the general masses see that the radical doesn't work in the long run) I DIDN’T get these word , radicals general masses - in the long run ? @rocket river ( I think it is cheaper and more of a deterent that Lethal Injections Perhaps it just needs to be used on DIFFERENT offenders I still think PUBLIC CANINGS for various crimes would be GREAT Vandalism would go down I think the drug situation would have some major changes ) Can u plz tell me the meaning of these ( deterent ) – ( public canings ) ( vandalism ) ? @GreenVegan76 , I DON’T agree WITH U ON THAT , DUDE , its NOT ridiculous @evry1 about this stoning thing .. LOOK @ ur ( SCECIOTY – however that spelt ) , look @ the numbers of GANGS and CRIMES and RAPES …etc , ONE of the reasons that these numbers r big is HAVING SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE ill explain this … when a girl have sex , she gets PREGNANT , and YOU KNOW that MOST of girls and boys , don’t take responsibility of raising that child , so they take them 2 ( fuster home – perhaps that’s wot its called ) and the child wont like it there , so when he grows up he run away and become … a MURDERER , RAPESS , STEALER , KIDNAPPER , he/she WILL GO 2 GANGS THINKING IT’S THE BEST WAY 2 MAKE MONEY AND HAVE A BETTER LIFE , SO ALL KINDS OF THESE CRIMES WUD B LOWER THAN THEY R NOW . 2ND : HIV ( NO NEED 2 B EXPLAINED , WE ALL NO IT ) 3RD : UTERUS CANCER IF THE FEMALE HAS SEX WITH 4 MALES OR MORE , THE POSSIBILITY OF HER GETTING THIS CANCER IS HIGHIER THAN THE OTHER FEMALES WHO DON’T HAVE SEX WITH MORE THAN 4 ( a study I read 2yrs ago in a paper ) 4th : GONNERHEA ( perhaps that’s the name ) ---- IF U SAY ,( PUT A CONDOM ) , I WILL SAY : CONDOMS MIGHT BREAK , even though I NEVER HAD SEX B4 , AND I WONT TILL MARRIAGE , CUZ I DON’T WANNA B A PART OF HURTING OTHERS AND ME 4 LUST --- LOOK @ KUWAIT 4 EXAMPLE , we DON’T have gangs kill , rape and murder , we ONLY have a FEW gangs that steal from SMALL SHOPS , and they r like 5 or 6 pple in it But OF COURSE murders happen here but not so much like US , they r like 3 A MONTH maybe
