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STIMULUS WATCH: $25 check may cost you food stamps

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  1. juicystream

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    STIMULUS WATCH: $25 check may cost you food stamps

    [rquoter]WASHINGTON – When President Barack Obama increased unemployment benefits as part of his economic stimulus, he also made some Americans ineligible for hundreds of dollars a month in food stamps.

    Under the economic recovery plan, laid-off workers have seen a $25 weekly bump in their unemployment checks as part of a broad expansion of benefits for the poor. But the law did not raise the income cap for food stamp eligibility, so the extra money has pushed some people over the limit.

    Laid-off workers and state officials are only now realizing the quirk, a consequence of pushing a $787 billion, 400-page bill through Congress and into law in three weeks.

    And for people hurt by the change, there's no way around it.

    "Everybody tells you, 'Yeah, I can understand why you're frustrated. It doesn't sound right.' But nobody knows where to go," said Mark Milota, 47, of Marietta, Ga., who was laid off in November from his job at a medical billing company.

    The Georgia Department of Human Resources explained in a letter to him last month that, because of the stimulus, he was ineligible for food stamps. He now makes $1,538 a month — $21 too much for a family of two to qualify.

    "We have to pay him that $25 a week," said Brenda Brown, assistant commissioner at the Georgia Department of Labor. "And he doesn't have the option not to accept it."

    Milota said he was told that, without the stimulus money, he would have received about $300 a month in food stamps.

    "I'm doing things I've never done before: I'm going to food pantries. I've gone to places for assistance on bills," Milota said. "Some bills are just not being paid. I'm three months behind on my mortgage."

    Unemployment benefits vary by state and the income cap for food stamps also varies based on family size, so it's impossible to say for certain how many people are hurt by the change. Government officials believe it is only a small fraction of the record 6.8 million people on unemployment. Many more people will benefit from a stimulus law that expanded unemployment and food stamp benefits.

    "We've gotten some questions about this. Not tons and tons, but we have been getting questions about this," said Jean Daniel, a spokeswoman for the Department of Agriculture, which overseas the food stamp program now known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

    When cases like Milota's began popping up in Iowa recently, officials called Washington, asking what to do.

    "We were told we were interpreting the food stamp regulations correctly," said Roger Munns, spokesman for the Iowa Department of Human Services. "Once you're over the income limit, regardless of the reason, you're no longer eligible."

    Once handed out as paper vouchers, food stamps are now delivered to people near the poverty level through debit cards that they can use to buy food. A record 32.5 million people participate in the program. Once the government determines someone is eligible, officials use a formula to calculate the monthly benefit, which ranges from $16 to $588. The average is about $111.

    Because those close to the income limit tend to get less money in food stamps, Munns said most people who are bumped out of the program by the extra $100 in unemployment benefits each month will break even or fare just slightly better. But the stimulus checks were intended to ease the effects of the recession, not simply cancel out another government assistance program.

    Lawmakers crafting the stimulus knew this would become a problem, said Stacy Dean, director of food assistance policy at Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank. They could have headed it off by raising the income tax or declaring that the $25 stimulus checks would not affect food stamp eligibility. Both were expensive options that could have forced states to reprogram their computer systems.

    But more importantly, hashing out those details would have taken time.

    "People were aware of this but, as you recall, the stimulus was moving along and then it was passed in about a day," Dean said. "There was not a lot of policy discussion on this."

    Milota said he had never been on food stamps before and resisted applying for months, believing he would find a job. But that has proved difficult. When he applied for a customer service job recently, he said the company told him there were 1,000 applicants.

    The stimulus law was intended not just as a jolt to the economy but also to ease the burden on people in Milota's situation. Besides unemployment benefits, the law also increased food stamp benefits — just not the income cap.

    "I truly believe when it came out, they felt it was to help people, and they never wanted to hurt people," said Milota, who says he leans Republican but voted for Obama.

    Officials in Washington say they're aware of stories like this. Changing things, however, requires changing the law. States could do this one by one, or Congress could do so.

    "This is not something the president or this agency could do independently," Daniel, the Agriculture Department spokeswoman, said.[/rquoter]
     
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    What I really don't understand is why there is such an all or nothing mentality to government programs. Medicaid has been frusturating in the same way for me. They pay 100%, or you get nothing. I'd much rather pay co-pays/premiums and have the coverage phaseout.
     
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    wow I'm trying to think on how hard it would be to live on $111 a month for a food budget - it would really really suck. i would probably eat exclusively high-calorie processed junk that is cheap on a $ per calorie basis - and then develop nasty health problems.
     
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    breakfast: ramen
    lunch: ramen
    dinner: mac and cheese, hold the milk and butter.

    every friday night, splurge with a slice of lunchmeat.
     
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    narsty - that's like a recipe for chronic hypertension.
     
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    high calorie processed junk food is more expensive on a calorie/$ basis.
     
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    That would cost you less than $20/month.
     
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    Swap the breakfast ramen for oatmeal and that would go down. Milk is also only 1.99/ gallon.
     
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    is it? I thought that corn and corn-starch -based foods were by far the cheapest way to get calories.
     
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    Taxes burn you on processed foods. Even cans of tuna are processed but they are not junk and hardly high calorie. Rice is also very cheap.

    Ramen is garbage but noodles can be had cheaply. Find chicken on sale for another source of protein, potatoes are also excellent.

    I am not debating how much people on stamps should get, but this argument that "I am poor and I have to eat crap" is BS.
     
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    I'm finding this out big time in working with families through a nonprofit that reaches into a pocket of poverty out on my side of town.

    We're trying to find some creative ways...partnering with a local elementary school...to start our a community garden to help provide better food alternatives to the families that live in the area. And so many of these kids are without health insurance it's ridiculous...mostly through ignorance of the state's health insurance program for kids. The cycles of this are a b****. Bad decisions beget bad decisions....but learning past those can stop the ill effects passing on to the next generation
     
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    Though you can eat ok on that, the healthy stuff is very expensive. You can't really afford fresh fruits and vegtables. More than anything, it is hard to avoid having very boring food. People just weren't meant to eat the same thing day after day.
     
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    Tuna is not cheap - it's like 2-3$ a can. Also not especially good for you either in anythin more than occasional doses as its loaded up with sodium and mercury.

    Can you provide some evidence that corn and corn-based foods aren't the cheapest source of calories around? This article makes some pretty good points on that:

    http://www.grist.org/article/philpott7/
     
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    2-3 a can? Dude move out of NYC as soon as possible!!!!

    Tuna has ~250mg per serving of sodium. Not exactly high, in fact it is really low considering a lot of that is dissolved in the water.
     
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    it's 2$ per can, and you're only supposed to eat 12 oz per week due to mercury according to the USDA - on 27$ a week food budget it's not a winning proposition to buy any more than a can or 2.

    edit: I should also add that potatoes aren't especially conducive to a healthy diet either - sure they're a cheap source of carbohydrates, but as previously stated - that's kind of the point that I'm making - the only thing available to people on low budget diets are calorie-laden carb and fat packed foods that create health issues.
     
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    Keep in mind, Sam, that an $111 food stamp budget is that low when a person (or family) makes just under the limit to cut off food stamps altogether. That person should have more earned money to spend on food than someone who qualifies for $500/mo. in food stamps.
     
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    It is not $2 a can. It is less than a dollar a can for the name brand stuff not even on sale. You are talking about the 5 oz cans right? Not some huge can?

    As for mercury 12 oz rule is for pregger or kids but that is still 6 servings. You can also buy other cheap sources of protein including beans or find chicken on sale.

    I lived on practically nothing in undergrad and used it to get in great shape. I bought craploads of chicken when it went on sale for 1.5 a pound, beans, oatmeal.


    The real argument you are missing is that fresh fruits and veggies will not be available. But frankly even americans with money avoid those things so there is no way to say that the $$$$ is keeping poor people from eating them.
     
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    Other sources of cheap protein

    Low fat cottage cheese (non flavored)
    eggs
    milk (1.99 per gallon) 8g protein per serving, 16 servings per gallon
    dried soya mince
     
  19. SamFisher

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    38-49$ per 24-can case:

    http://www.foodservicedirect.com/in...Chicken-of-The-Sea-Low-Sodium-Canned-Tuna.htm


    Actually there really is - if you make the price of high calorie foods artificially low (like the government does with corn by MASSIVELY subsidizing it) you pretty much make the decision for them.
     
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    Which corn products are you talking about that are cheaper than rice beans and tuna?

    Seriously Sam tuna does not freaking cost that much. This is the dumbest argument in the history of clutchfans.

    http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=404815

    That is name brand, it is cheaper at Krogers, and often on sale.
     

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