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Steve worried about is Creditability in the League

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ericdwj, Jan 28, 2003.

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  1. ericdwj

    ericdwj Member

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    I'm not saying Steve is jealous of Yao personally, but the fact that he could be given more credit for the Rockets success than Steve is a factor. Steve wants to be an icon for the nba, and i don't think he has realized that if he was going to be an icon they would have made him one. Steve is in that second tier of all-starts (if he weren't he would have been one of the first invited to play for USA). Countless analysts have said that if this team is to succeed its through Yao not Steve. All of them can't be wrong. To me Steve doesn't want to accept this. The result is erratic play at the end of most games by Steve, when it is easier to play through Yao.
     
  2. Apollo Creed

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    Facts?

    Anyone?
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I bet he was really upset being voted a starter in the All Star game for the second year in a row.:rolleyes:

    I also bet he is upset seeing himself in all those NBA promotional spots.:rolleyes:
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think he has a point.

    Why else would Steve not pass the ball to a wide open Yao Ming, meanwhile on the same play when Cato is in the game, Francis tosses it up.

    Cato is not a threat to his stature...Ming is.

    I think Steve wants to be the LEADER of the team, but in truth, the team will go nowhere with him as the leader, and everywhere with Yao as the leader.

    We need Steve to defer to Yao like Kobe does to Shaq.

    DD
     
  5. ericdwj

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    Apollo Creed and Pgabriel, so u both think that steve's erratic play is just his style of play that's crazy. and if you think that tv promos and shoes make u an icon in the NBA your are crazy. Try looking a reeboks list of contracts. I'm just saying i think steve forgets about team if the game is close at the end. He makes the game more difficult than it should be. If you don't think the offense shouldn't be run through Yao in order for the Rockets to be successful, you don't know basketball.
     
  6. Jebus

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    I agree with DaDakota and ericdwj also. Sure, Steve should be happy and proud to be an all star, and featured in the NBA ads. However, people like him (all stars, those at the top of their games) don't get to where they are by saying, "I'm one of the best, and that's good enough for me." They get to where they are by striving to be the best. Do you think when he was at Maryland, he said to himself, "yeah, I came from JC and now I'm a starter at Maryland, time to kick back and coast"?.. I doubt it. That's one of the things that makes him great.

    Unfortunately, combine that with a bit of shortsightedness and/or hardheadedness, and you run into trouble (him not wanting to pass to Yao for fear of losing some limelight, for instance). Hopefully, he'll mature a little more and realize that he may need to give a little to get some back before the window of opportunity closes.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    So now he shouldn't strive to be the best?
     
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    Don't you just love speculation? :D Here goes another one. Yao has not demonstrated that he is a good finisher. He is still very tentative around the basket. In short, he has not earned the trust from Steve yet.

    You brought up Kobe-Shaq love affair. Well, Shaq has already established himself as the most dominating inside force before Kobe got there and it still took Kobe two years to share the ball with Shaq.

    Don't get me wrong. I am just as appalled by the AND1 mentality in Stevie but Yao also needs to work on his finishing touches. It's a learning process for both.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    No, if he was truly concerned with being the best he would not play defense like an old fashioned saloon entrance.....push a little and open right up baby !!

    Francis should realize that to truly reach his potential, he needs to be tonto, not the Lone Ranger.

    He is Pippen, not Jordan....

    DD
     
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    Not a tthe potential expense of the team.

    He should try to be the best player on teh best team, not the best player.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Steve has a shoe contract, what's your point. I have heard Steve's name mentioned all over the country, in rap songs from guys from New York. Yao isn't not ready, period.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    I agree, and he can only learn by getting the ball...success breeds success, just like failure does likewise.

    I guess we just have to wait until Steve gets tired of failing to be the guy, and gets tired of losing before he starts involving his teamates in crucial situations.

    Meanwhile, the Rockets will flounder until he gets it...if he ever does.

    The point is, how long do you wait, before you do what Sacremento did and bring in a stabilizing PG and get rid of the flashy one?

    DD
     
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    I think Yao is not ready for the role yet before he can play 35+min night in and night out, and consistantly establish inside position and draw the double teams.

    I don't expect Yao to openly demand the ball until after next year, but that might be too late for his confidence. Let's give them more time to see if Rudy SEE the problem, and GET through to the guards by this time next year. I just don't think this group had enough time to justify any predication, yet.
     
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    Yea the Rockets are floundering, they clearly are a worse team than last year. Especially since it is pretty much the same team from last year, they should be undefeated.:rolleyes:

    Look, everyone who knows me knows I am more pessamistic than optimistic, but most of this Steve bashing is uncalled for, especially when it delves into issues of jelousy. It gets to be ridiculous.
     
  15. dischead

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    What Rap songs are Franchise in?
     
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    If you listen to Jadakiss's solo album, there is a song called "Put ya Hands Up" where he mentions coming to see Steve in Houston in a Rockets game. Jadakiss's album is called "Kiss the Game Goodbye". Jadakiss is the guy on the Allen Iverson commercial for those who don't know.
     
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    If you think the offense should be run through a rookie that can't play 35+ min a night and what most analyst thinks shoudn't even be on the all-star team not to mention starting while u have a perenial all-star point guard, then you don't know basketball. Look, Steve should get Yao involved, no buts and ifs about that. But come on, Yao is obviously isn't ready to be THE MAN yet, YET. Give him time to prove otherwise.
     
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    Amen. Nail on the Head point, He can't even log enough minutes yet to be the man.
     
  19. Jebus

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    Best what?

    Streetballer, or NBA point guard and team leader? These two are mutually exclusive.
     
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    Originally posted by ericdwj
    If you don't think the offense shouldn't be run through Yao in order for the Rockets to be successful, you don't know basketball.


    If you think that the offense just have to run through Yao for the Rockets to be successful then you really don't know basketball.

    I could understand more why some of you would want the offense to run through Yao if he was putting up monster numbers. Yet thats not the case at (12pts and 8reb). Lets look at Dikembe Mutombo, when he was a rookie he averaged 16pts and 12reb and the offense didn't even come close to running through him, he got most of his points on hussle; something Yao clearly lacks.

    Where does this comes from about Francis is a 2nd tier Allstar. If you haven't notice that the only problem all the coaches and many NBA analysis have with the All star Selection in the West is Yao Ming is starting and not Shaq. The PG position is argueable the most talented position in the NBA right now, yet no one has stated that Francis shouldn't be there. In stead there saying he's an MVP candidate. If you don't think that the PG position is the most talented in the West at least, look at our reserves (Marbury, Nash, and Payton.) Thats three out of 7 reserves. Please do a liitle more research before you state that Francis is 2nd tier Allstar.

    A good article to read about how Francis is better, in so many ways than every other PG in the league right now, was printed very recently. It was titled The Rockets are fueled by Francis or something along those lines. It was printed right after the loss in Chicago; In the Chicago times or tribune I beleive. If you want to find it I'm sure you can since it was just printed so recently. Yet if your the type that doesn't care to here any praise for our PG I'm sure you won't even try. :(
     

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