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Steve Francis just proved he is NOT a franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Axeman, Aug 3, 2002.

  1. Axeman

    Axeman Member

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    Glad to hear that Steve's condition seems to be fairly under control... So, now we can move on to the issue of signing him.

    If there's one thing that bugs me it's guys that whine about being on losing teams, especially an organization like the Rockets, who have a long history and tradition of winning. I could see him whining if he were on the Nuggets, Warriors, Clippers, or some other perennial loser. But, he's on the HOUSTON ROCKETS, a team with a strong winning tradition.

    Here's this kid (basically a kid) questioning an organization that has won two championships, been to the Finals 4 times, and the only time in over a decade that we haven't made the playoffs is the three years that Steve Francis has been on the team. And, somehow, he feels like he can call out the Rockets franchise, as if the Rockets don't know anything about "winning"... And, this is the very same team, the Rockets, that want to make him the franchise player.

    The way I see it, a FRANCHISE player is the one who shows up everyday, works his butt off, makes the other players around him better, and doesn't look for other people to give him an easy road to the playoffs. When did you hear MJ complain about losing and wanting to be traded? Or Shaq?

    I don't have a problem with Francis wanting to win. Everyone hates losing. But, by making the comments that he recently made, he showed that he is not a Franchise player. End of story. Because when the going gets rough, franchise players don't bail. That's what Steve is hinting at. So, at this point, I hope the Rockets think long and hard before paying him the max.

    A quick addendum: The league is full of examples of talented players that are never quite happy where they are and somehow manage to be ineffective and never go far in the playoffs. Examples: Stephon Marbury, Antonio McDyess, Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell, etc... If Steve doesn't want to be a part of that fraternity, he should change his attitude in a hurry.
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    The thing the pisses me off most about his ridiculous delay in going to the Mayo Clinic is that he had to wait until after the Cavs-Clipps deal. Now it's too late to trade his 2yr old ass for A Miller.
     
  3. heypartner

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    What bugs me is how were we good enough for him after the season, now he wants to discuss the direction of the team?

    Face it. It is a Yao Ming issue.

    He said he was very happy after the miserable season. Why? Before the season he was on record saying that he wanted us to win as a factor in his extension decision. What did he see in that miserable season to make him happy.

    Was it Eddie Griffin showing up with game?? If so, why the change of mind now?? I don't get it.

    Clearly, Steve was happy by a combination of Griffin and the picks. He has changed his mind because the picks didn't go his way. Nothing else makes sense to me.

    That is not the attitude I want. He should have been happy with Griffin showing up with game and the #13, because that's all we would have had had we made the playoffs like he wanted in the first place.

    This is a Yao Ming issue. If this is about winning, then Steve thinks Yao is a loser. And I disagree with him.
     
  4. ron413

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    Was Steve's comments really that bad?
     
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  5. Batman Jones

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    I don't think Steve's comments were that bad, ron. They're a touch immature and annoying for all the reasons HP mentioned, but they're not that bad. I agree with everything HP said. There's no reason other than the Yao pick for Steve to change his attitude about the team's chances. I'm just hoping (and expecting) that Yao will prove him wrong. Winning cures everything. Steve's going to have to give him a chance though. I expect he will.
     
  6. leehoang

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    i think all of houston was behind the drafting of yao, and if

    steve doesn't like it there is going to problems.

    so i think stevie should give him a shot.
     
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  7. sjackson0

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    What is wrong with you all?


    "A lot of other guys have locked themselves in for years," Francis said. "It's definitely something that's out there. We'll have to come to a conclusion with this. We'll be able to come to a conclusion sooner than later. You never know.

    "The money is not really the situation. It's about winning. I'm definitely tired of being in the doghouse in the NBA, people not really paying attention to your team, people not really respecting your team. When you go through things like that it tends to wear on you. You want to be in the situation where everybody is looking forward to winning."


    How do you guys get those negative vibes from his statements above? He's right damn it! There was nothing wrong what he said and it was surely wasn't imature. PMS is the biggest disorder going around lately, not Steve's migraines
     
  8. heypartner

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    sjackson0,

    what is hard to understand. He wants to discuss contract length. What else is there to discuss?

    Plus, he pulled a 180 degree turn on what he said previously. Do you want to explain to me why he said he was ready to sign before the Lottery, and now he needs to discuss things.

    Do you not see in that article that Feigen clearly states he has changed his mind on what he told the Chronicle earlier??

    Why did he change his mind?
     
  9. DaneB

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    I don't he should the contract for the fans. I think he should look at the whole picture, take his time to make sure that he really wants to be here. As a fan, I can see why this might irritate some of you, but you also have to see it through the eyes of the athlete to see the whole perspective. Francis is debating to sign a long term contract for 6 years (nearly half his NBA career) and wants to make sure he can do the best he possibly can.

    Considering that he has not been in the playoffs once in his entire NBA career, he is probably really antsy to get in there. My theory on why he might have turned 180 on the team? Andre Miller. I have a feeling that he may have been sure we could have slipped by the Sonics or maybe even the Jazz, but since the Clippers are almost guaranteed a spot, he knows that we are going to have fight even harder. The West is going to be hell this next year, I wont be surprised at all if we have a near playoff miss once again.

    Francis is our Franchise player, without him we are nothing, but it is time for a decision to be made. I just hope Steve makes the right one.
     
  10. ElGrandeQueso

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    If Steve really feels that Yao is a loser, then he is right. Steve, NOT Yao, is the future of the Rockets and whatever he says should go. If he doesn't and never wanted Yao, then we shouldn't have picked the guy. Steve, Cuttino, and Eddie will be the players to lead the Rockets to the next step. It's sad that so many of you so-called Rockets fans are turning your backs on Steve since Yao arrived. Sure Steve hasn't led the Rockets to the playoffs yet, but Ming hasn't done ANYTHING, remember that.
     
  11. ron413

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    Au contraire mon fraire.
     
  12. rocketlaunch

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    I dont believe his statements were really that bad, but it is a total change of heart from last season. I agree it probably is a yao thing.
     
  13. rezdawg

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    I disagree with this thread. Steve is the franchise.
     
  14. Batman Jones

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    Just so we're all clear here, this is from the guy who started the "Yao Ming Sucks" website without seeing him play outside of the Chicago workout.

    Franchise players are franchise players because they're great players, not because they're great GM's or scouts. It's hardly turning our backs on our players to say we'd prefer CD's opinion over Steve's on draft decisions. I'd rather have Steve play point for us than CD. That's not a slap at CD. If CD said he would only continue as GM if he could play point, I'd say he was a great GM but Steve was the better choice as a player.

    I don't have anything bad to say about Steve as a point guard. I think he's learning all the time, he's worth max dollars and long-term commitment and that he'll be one of the greatest point guards ever in a few years. That doesn't mean I think we should defer to his GM fantasies.

    How's the site by the way, Queso? Still hatin?
     
  15. Space Ghost

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    IMO, the Rockets get a lot more respect than they usually get these days. Houston has never been a sports focus, and until they are in the top 3, they will never have the attention. If you want team attention, goto the Lakers or Knicks or Bulls. In the mean time, STFU and collect your money.

    I've never bought into the "Franchise" BS. Look at the players who have stuck with their teams for the long term w/out b****ing too much. I would package up his ass for Garnett (or Payton if he wasn't leaving his prime) in a heartbeat.
     
  16. Puedlfor

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    Much Ado About Nothing.

    He will sign the contract.

    And the Rockets will make the playoffs.

    (and the Clippers will not).

    And Cuttino Mobley will play really well for us.

    And so will Maurice Taylor.

    And so will Yao Ming.

    And I am going to gloat like a mother****er when it happens.
     
  17. LAfadeaway33

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    I don't think his comments are that bad and I don't think he's really had a change of heart since last season. His agent probably told him not to sound too eager about signing a contract just because it would hurt negotiations or somthing like that. All he's saying is that he'd rather win sooner than later. In the end, I think he'll sign a max contract for 7 or 8 years or so and everyone will be happy.
     
  18. gucci888

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    When did Steve ever say he wanted to leave Houston? Ya'll bash a guy because he is sick of losing? Hell, I don't know about ya'll, but I hate losing too. All of the sudden he is not a franchise player because he said he's sick of losing?

    Imagine how he feels, he comes out of college, is immediately in charge of a NBA team and everyone feels he should lead us to the playoffs immediately, and instead has 3 losing seasons, he takes all the responsibility and everyone bashes him and ya'll still want him to be happy. Some of ya'll were saying we should have traded him for B. Davis or A. Miller, but how are they any better, A. Miller said "max or he's gone" and B. Davis wanted to leave so bad and was opened about it to the media. Ya'll need to calm down and stop expecting to hear what ya'll want to hear all the time.
     
  19. Axeman

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    The way I see this is as follows:

    Francis is upset that there will be someone else, namely Yao Ming, who at least for now is going to be just as highly touted, if not more so, than he is. That, to me, is the bottom line. At the end of the season, when he was still "the man", he was all about resigning. Now, he's talking about "the doghouse of the NBA".

    Let me re-emphasize something:
    The Rockets were in the <b>PENTHOUSE</b> of the NBA until Steve Francis' first season with the team. So, I ask this question... Why isn't he looking at himself, and how he can make the team better. The Rockets organization has proven that it has the desire and willingness to make bold moves and pay big money to try and win.

    The only conclusion I can come to is that this re-emphasizes Francis' image as a whiner. He whined on his way into the NBA (about playing for Vancouver), and now he's whining even more. He's got a gazillion dollar shoe contract, is one of the NBA's marquee players, and has a team that wants to pay him $84 million.

    I say this:
    Steve Francis, if you sign with the Rockets, you'd better show up every day and work towards winning an NBA championship. And when things get rough, instead of complaining and begging your way out, be part of the solution and be a winner.
     
  20. Axeman

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    I hope you're right. But, I see the seeds of a storm brewing, especially if the Rockets DON'T make the playoffs THIS year.
     

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