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Steve At Shooting Guard: Not The Answer.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacBeth, May 22, 2003.

  1. MacBeth

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    When I was a kid I used to spend a lot of time with my grandparents, and my grandmother was one of those Norman Rockwell grandmas...had once been a professional cook, and my mother claimed the reason she married my father was Grandma's cooking/baking. My mother herself was no great shakes in the kitchen, and coming home from my grandparents was often a real let-down, gastronomically speaking. So once, at about the age of 6, I decided to put all my time watching my Grandma at work to good use; I arrived home from the weekend with the Old Folks and announced to my mother that I was going to cook dinner that evening. She was pretty patient, my mother, and she approved of the plan. I went to work...a few tomatoes here, some eggs there...yeah, what we need now are some spices; any spices. Oh, almost forgot the peas...and on it went. It had all seemed so easy, from a distance. My Grandma got some ingredients, a little wrist-power, some time in the oven, and voila!

    Needless to say my dinner turned out to be something the Humane Society would frown on being served in kennels, and a rather bemused Mom told me it was ok, as she dialed for pizza. I often think back to that experience in those ( sadly not so rare) moments where I decide how to resolve the plights of my favorite sports teams..I do think that we can have qualified opinions, and can even make solid proposals...but more often than not I feel we are suggesting the ingredients to another Cassarole Surprise destined for the dump.

    It seems all to easy to suggest that we move Steve to the 2-guard, but in my opinion the downside is much, much greater than the potential benefit. Ok, the problem is that Steve isn't a pure playmaker...and I'll grant you that. And I will go one step further to suggest that an offense run through a shoot-first point guard is unlikely to succeed in the long run. But the seemingly simple response of moving Steve to the shooting guard spot opens up a yawning chasm of other problems when there are much easier solutions on hand, in my opinion.

    A) Don't 'run' the offense through the point guard in the halfcourt...Involve a motion offense, a high post passing offense, whatever. Run it through Yao...there are many strategic adjustments which serve better.

    B) Get a 2-guard, or even a 3 who can compensate, and use him as a co-playmaker to complement Steve.

    C) If need be, trade Steve.

    Now 3 seems like an extreme response, and I really, really don't want to do it, but I would rather do that than move Steve to the 2 spot unless we are able to acquire just the right kind of complimentary point guard; a big one who can effectively play the 1 on offense and the 2 on defense.

    It has been noted by many that Steve would be a travesty on defense against 2's...and I agree. It would be something else to see him giving up 3 or 4 inches and 30 pounds against the likes of McGrady, Bryant, Carter et al on a farily regular basis. And this is part of why the simple position flip is dangerous, in my opinion.

    But a greater reason I'm against it is this; Steve is a unique talent at the 1...and a very good but limited player at the 2. Think of his strengths; ability to break his man down, rebounding, mid range shooting, athleticism/strength, etc. At the 2 he has...ability to break his man down. Period. And he has a whole new significant weakness in terms of physical limitations. Allen Iverson is the example most often cited when suggesting the flip, but with respect, Iverson only offered the breakdown ability at the 1 spot to begin with. He was hardly a physically dominant player against shooting guards, and Steve is. Moving Iverson to the 2 spot really didin't sacrifice anything, but in Steve's case it would. Add to that the fact that the strength is emphasised in Iverson's case is also a greater one than Steve has, and you might see my point.

    Another thing is that when you predicate your offense around a ball handling penetration shooting guard who needs to shake free from bigger players to score, you by definition have to focus the offense around that man's ability to do so; plays designed to get a man open are wasted if his ability to beat a man is his key asset, and so you need to have the offense revolve around that guy's penetration/scoring in order to make use of him, as it does with The Answer. Otherwise all you've got is a guy who could be beating his man if he had the ball watching other players do their thing while contributing little else, and being a liability on the defensive end.

    there are some guys who could be the missing piece, like an Alvin Williams, but I suggest they are going to be much harder to come by than people think...and changing the offense, getting a playmaking 2, or trading Steve are all easier.

    I know...back to the trading Steve thing again. I honestly don't want to do that...But I would if worse came to worse. As is he is an amazing talent with significant value; move him, expose his weaknesses while limiting his strengths, and he has less value.

    Of course, we might just end up calling for Pizza, because I still don't know any more than most everyone about how to run a pro basketball team, but that's what I think.
     
  2. Clutch

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    Solution: Reduce ingredients by 95%. Add more meat.
     
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  4. MacBeth

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    Lol! Is that a comment on the Rockets situation at the guard spots, your latest swipe at my posting methods, or both?;)
     
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    It should be evident :).
     
  6. SLA

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    :)

    Nice.

    Well then......don't move him.

    But the offense should run through Yao Ming and Elton Brand :D.

    Francis doesn't really score...he needs to shoot more.

    Well he needs to improve his defense.

    And that 3...Lamar Odom...plus some shooters.

    Or we need to get shooters...like Bruce Bowen and Stephen Jackson and Tony Parker and David Robinson...or Mike Bibby and Doug Christie and Peja Stojakovic and Vlade Divac...or Derek Fisher and Kobe Bryant and Rick Fox and Robert Horry.

    Keep the team as it is.
     
  7. Old Man Rock

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    LOL... perfect summation... and he is one of the better ones here...
     
  8. leebigez

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    The simple solution would be to change the offense. My choice is the triangle. The triangle would take the pressure off Francis to make all the decisions and basically put the ball in the hands of our best decision maker Ming. Francis ,from time to time could still get his points like Kobe does when the triangle is isolated on one side. Trading Francis isn't totally out of the question,but I would hope that he and coaching realize they really expose his weakness.
     
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    The only problem with installing the triangle here, is that we don't really have the best decision makers (except for Yao). The triangle is a read and react offense for the most part. Wing players usually get the most touches in a triangle set also. I don't have enough confidence in Steve, Posey and Cat to put them into a position to make such complicated and instantaneous decisions.
     
  10. SLA

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    I like the Spurs' offense......but that's too hard for our Rockets players..

    They can't think like that.

    :(
     
  11. DCkid

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    Basically, I think acquiring "Bizarro Steve" would make all the difference in the world. Someone else in the backcourt who won't multiply Steve's mistakes times two. Someone who takes high percentage shots, plays good defense, doesn't try to force the ball, and doesn't make many turnovers.

    That's what frustrating! we have two players in the backcourt who are virtually identical and make the exact same mistakes. Steve is the main go-to guy. He's going to make the most mistakes on the team simply because he has the toughest job. However, if the surrounding players limit the number amount of mistakes they make - like role players should - the overall team problems will not be as glaring.

    I love Cuttino! He's my favorite player on the Rockets as far as personality goes. However, over time I've come to realize that the redundancy of our guards' skills does not help us as much the redunancy of their weaknesses hurt us. I think it's time for Cuttino and the Rockets to part ways.

    This doesn't mean Steve couldn't still stand to improve in some areas, but if the overall frustration with the team is halved, then Steve's limitations will no longer be seen as such a serious problem, especially when compared to all the positive things he brings.

    The only question is who in the hell is "Bizarro Steve?"
     
  12. SLA

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    THAT is the question. :(
     
  13. D-Up

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    How do you describe the Nets' offense?
     
  14. thacabbage

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    Jason Kidd is rumored to be heading to San Antonio.
     
  15. SLA

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    Good.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    Steve at shooting guard for the Nets is the answer.
     
  17. SmeggySmeg

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    I thought AI was the answer????

    does the title of PG or SG matter, if he has the ball in his hands as much as he did last year, he is the play-maker!!!!
     
  18. TheFreak

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    NO.
     
  19. topfive

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    I say we *make* a pizza -- Cuttino can bring the ham and EG can bring the oregano.
     
  20. BubbaMac

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    If Steve is at the 2, can he guard Lebron?
     

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