State Dept.: No Free Evacuations for Dead Americans, Either

mc mark · Jul 18, 2006

Man! Everytime I go on vacation some major **** happens. But this is just crazy

Alive or dead, Uncle Sam doesn't give any free rides.

Earlier I noted that the State Department, in stark contrast to the Canadian government, is requiring U.S. citizens caught in Lebanon to pay for the cost of their evacuation. (Rep. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has since weighed in, saying that this was no time "for quibbling over payment for evacuation.")

I called up the State Department to ask about the policy. "We are not standing there with a cash box asking people to pay before they get on the boat," spokeswoman Janelle Hironimus told me. But if they don't pay (by check, no cash or credit cards accepted), or sign a form promising to pay, they don't go. It's the law:

"Reasonable commercial air fare" shall be charged to all evacuees.

What if they're dead?

Same deal, she said. No freebies, even if you're not around to enjoy it.

Hironimus said that she didn't know the exact fee being charged. Evacuees are signing promissory notes. Those citizens will find out how much they owe when they get the bill in the mail.

And if a U.S. citizen is killed waiting to evacuate -- or because they stayed behind, unable to promise their government they could pay?

"We arrange with their families," Hironimus said. "We discuss their choices, but it’s paid for by the families."

In any case, the spokeswoman assured me, no one would get left behind.

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Deckard · Jul 18, 2006

Ah, but if they're wealthy, they get a tax cut!
What ever happened to helping Americans out overseas who are in need, costs be damned??

Keep D&D Civil.

wnes · Jul 18, 2006

mc mark said:

Everytime I go on vacation
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How was Moosehead treating you?

I drove with my wife all the way to Rockwood 1 day before your trip. We didn't have much time to spend there but did take a ferry to this island (the boat guy said it is actually a peninsula) and walked around on it briefly. Nice place. Vastly under-developed, though.

Deckard · Jul 18, 2006

wnes said:

How was Moosehead treating you?

I drove with my wife all the way to Rockwood 1 day before your trip. We didn't have much time to spend there but did take a ferry to this island (the boat guy said it is actually a peninsula) and walked around on it briefly. Nice place. Vastly under-developed, though.

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Wow, that looks beautiful!

Keep D&D Civil.

wnes · Jul 18, 2006

Deckard said:

Wow, that looks beautiful!
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You need to get out more, deck!

mc mark · Jul 18, 2006

wnes said:

How was Moosehead treating you?

I drove with my wife all the way to Rockwood 1 day before your trip. We didn't have much time to spend there but did take a ferry to this island (the boat guy said it is actually a peninsula) and walked around on it briefly. Nice place.
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It was WONDERFUL!!!

Mt. Kineo is amazing! There is a fire tower at the top of the cliff that you can hike too and climb. Amazing views! WOW!!!! You made it all the way to Rockwood! Thas a ways up the lake!

Vastly under-developed, though.
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Thas why we like it!

Deckard · Jul 18, 2006

wnes said:

You need to get out more, deck!
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I really do. See, we can agree!

Keep D&D Civil.

rimrocker · Jul 18, 2006

Cafferty today on CNN... paraphrased here...http://www.first-draft.com/

There are an estimated 25,000 Americans there and presumably a lot of them would like to leave. Good luck with that. Remember Katrina?

SNIP

There was a time and I can remember this when Americans who were in harms way anywhere in the world would have been taken out yesterday.

Apparently not anymore. We're still bumbling around, trying to charter boats, whatever. It's kind of embarrassing actually.

And get this. You want out? You gotta pay.That's right. The State Department now charges the price of an airline ticket to evacuate you, this little law passed by Congress, signed by President Bush in 2003. We can pour 300 billion dollars into that sewer in Iraq but we charge Americans to be taken out of a war zone in Lebanon. Welcome to the Twilight Zone.
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rimrocker · Jul 18, 2006

More from the LA Times...

U.S. Rescue Bogs Down in Lebanon
By Megan K. Stack
Times Staff Writer
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ul18,0,7456608,print.story?coll=la-home-world

July 18, 2006

BEIRUT — Thousands of Americans whose vacations and business trips to Lebanon have degenerated with sickening speed into stints in a battle zone remained stranded here under Israeli bombardment Monday, their frustration and anger mounting because the U.S. government hasn't gotten them out faster.

Waiting around Beirut with bags packed and fingers crossed, U.S. citizens derided the embassy for busy phone lines, a lack of information and gnawing uncertainty over when and whether they will get out. Hundreds were expected to be shipped to Cyprus today, but how long the full evacuation will take remains uncertain.

"I had heard it might take a week, two weeks. You hear so many things," said Pamela Pattie, a 65-year-old professor. "Why in the world aren't we getting it together?"

The frustration has been intensified by news that other countries have already pulled many of their citizens out of Lebanon, efficiently and free of cost. A ferry chartered by the French government carried about 800 of its citizens and several dozen Americans to Cyprus on Monday. The U.S. military evacuated about 60 Americans by helicopter Sunday and Monday.

Other nations have packed people into rented tour buses and driven them over the mountains to Syria. The U.S. State Department has warned Americans against traveling to Syria.

The main U.S. evacuation plan involves a Pentagon-contracted cruise ship, the Orient Queen, due to arrive in Lebanon today to ferry people to Cyprus. The ship can carry about 750 passengers for the five-hour trip. Defense Department officials said other private ships were likely to be hired as well.

Americans have been told to wait for a telephone call that could come in hours — or days. They've also been told they can't board a ship unless they've signed a contract agreeing to repay the U.S. government for the price of their evacuation.

The rules have angered Americans who are already fatigued and nervous after days of explosions. "I'm freaked out that our government is treating us this way," snapped a Rutgers University student who had been studying Arabic at the American University of Beirut. She declined to give her name for fear she would be taken off the passenger list in retribution for criticizing the evacuation effort.

"Are we a Third World country or what?" she said.

Female students from the American University of Beirut, who had been huddled on the ground floor of their dormitory in case of missile strikes, said they were instructed to take a blanket and a three-day supply of food to Cyprus. They were panicked at the notion of sleeping on the street in a strange country.

Officials estimate that 25,000 Americans have poured into Lebanon this summer. They include tourists, business travelers and students. There are Lebanese who fled the torments of the civil war decades ago and had finally dared take their families back for a visit. There are Lebanese Americans and American Jews, young and old, chasing down lost memories or looking for adventure in this sun-dappled country of pine-studded mountains and pristine beaches.

Now they are all stuck in place, trembling when the bombs shake the ground, sweating because of the broken air conditioners, listening to the roar of Israeli jets — and waiting to be rescued.

Among the stranded is a 9-year old boy, Noureddine Issa, who received a liver transplant at UCLA Medical Center as an infant. His family, which lives in Los Angeles, was visiting relatives in Beirut when the fighting broke out.

Surgeons at UCLA have been urgently trying to get Noureddine out of the country, fearing he is running out of critical medications.

The U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, sent a 17-person assessment team to the American Embassy on Sunday to prepare for the evacuation, which is being run by a task force based in Cyprus.

The Pentagon is also sending a Navy destroyer, the Gonzalez, to protect the ferry. Defense officials said sailors and aircraft on the Iwo Jima, a helicopter carrier that had been participating in exercises with the Jordanian military, could also be called in to help.

Juliet Wurr, an embassy spokeswoman, said the United States had done its best to help its citizens escape danger. Humanitarian cases — including children separated from their parents — have already been flown to safety on helicopters, she said.

She also pointed out that U.S. citizens in Lebanon had ignored the State Department warning against traveling there.

"I wish I could snap my fingers and put an aircraft carrier right outside the Israeli buffer zone," Wurr said. "But it doesn't work like that."

But Americans who have been looking to the embassy for advice describe long and futile quests for information.

Stan McKnight, a Los Angeles education consultant, arrived in the Lebanese capital on Wednesday for a business trip, his son at his side. Woozy with jet lag, the two headed directly to a seaside hotel and fell asleep. They didn't hear the blasts, or realize that Israel had bombed the airport just hours after they touched down. As the two men lay dreaming last week, a battle between Hezbollah and Israel was escalating outside.

They awoke to find themselves trapped.

They tried to call for guidance, but the phone lines at the embassy have been jammed for days. And registering with the embassy online was a futile exercise, McKnight discovered. He said Monday that he waited several days after registering his information, heard nothing and finally rented a car to make the trek to the heavily fortified building.

When he arrived, embassy workers explained that neither faxes nor online communications were getting through. So McKnight registered the old-fashioned way: with pencil and paper.

"We're getting zero information on this, just little bits and pieces," he said.

Linda Sayed, a 26-year-old graduate student from New York, has spent recent days making phone calls, with no result. Along with her parents and siblings, Sayed was vacationing in Lebanon.

Before the fighting erupted, her parents and 15-year-old brother traveled south to visit family in her father's ancestral village, Bint Jbeil, on the border with Israel.

Since the attacks began, the family has been sleeping in a bomb shelter, placing frightened calls to Sayed and her sister in Beirut. When the bombs smashed the cellphone towers, the family lost communication.

In Beirut, Sayed has been sitting helplessly in front of a television set, staring at footage of the bomb-scarred village.

She called the United Nations, then UNICEF, then the Red Cross. All the offices told her the same thing: It's impossible to reach her family now, because the bombing on the southern roads has been too heavy. Sayed called the embassy too but couldn't get through. Hundreds of Americans remain trapped in the south, embassy officials estimated.

"I don't care how much it costs," Sayed said. "My 15-year-old brother is there, and he's terrified. He's never experienced a war — we were all born back in the U.S."

Sayed and her sister have registered to leave as soon as the embassy can arrange their escape. The two young women might have to head back to America without knowing when they will see the rest of their family again.
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geeimsobored · Jul 18, 2006

After Katrina, you'd figure they'd at least try to do better in terms of evacuating people. And as bad as that evacuation was, at least they weren't charging people bus fees to leave.

ROXRAN · Jul 18, 2006

Nothing is "free"...

geeimsobored · Jul 18, 2006

ROXRAN said:

Nothing is "free"...
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Give me a break. Our Congressmen waste money on a multi-million dollar bridge in alaska to an island of less than 50 people or a museum on shrimp farming in the South and we can't afford to help evacuate American citizens.

You may have a point if our politicians weren't paying for every other dumb thing in their districts. But considering our reckless use of government funds, I'd say apparently plenty of things are free.

mc mark · Jul 18, 2006

It's part of that "ownership society."

HayesStreet · Jul 18, 2006

"Officials estimate that 25,000 Americans have poured into Lebanon this summer."

There is a reason Lebanon is not at the top of my list for summer vacation.

Saint Louis · Jul 18, 2006

HayesStreet said:

"Officials estimate that 25,000 Americans have poured into Lebanon this summer."

There is a reason Lebanon is not at the top of my list for summer vacation.
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My dad hasn't ever been big on foreign travel. Except for a trip to Western Europe, he has never left the continental U.S. His reasoning, "once you leave the United States, you leave all of its laws and protections behind too."

HayesStreet · Jul 18, 2006

Saint Louis said:

My dad hasn't ever been big on foreign travel. Except for a trip to Western Europe, he has never left the continental U.S. His reasoning, "once you leave the United States, you leave all of its laws and protections behind too."
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I've traveled a lot but generally try to avoid places where groups like Hezbollah hang out. Generally the Middle East ain't on the list.

mc mark · Jul 18, 2006

HayesStreet said:

I've traveled a lot but generally try to avoid places where groups like Hezbollah hang out. Generally the Middle East ain't on the list.
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Too bad. Turkey's beautiful.

HayesStreet · Jul 18, 2006

mc mark said:

Too bad. Turkey's beautiful.
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I'm sure, but the list of beautiful places is very long. Maybe by the time I get to it they'll have calmed down a bit.

JeopardE · Jul 18, 2006

rimrocker said:

Cafferty today on CNN... paraphrased here...http://www.first-draft.com/
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Nancy Pelosi voted yes on that bill. Heh.

rimrocker · Jul 18, 2006

JeopardE said:

Nancy Pelosi voted yes on that bill. Heh.
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