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Starting point guards for other Western Conf contenders

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by R0ckets03, Dec 6, 2007.

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  1. R0ckets03

    R0ckets03 Member

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    I am sure everybody knows this already, but its amazing when you put it on paper.

    Denver - Allen Iverson
    Golden State - Baron Davis
    Phoenix - Steve Nash
    San Anotonio - Tony Parker
    Utah - Deron Williams
    New Orleans - Chris Paul
    Dallas - Devin Harris
    Los Angeles - Derek Fisher

    Houston - Rafer Alston

    Point guard is the most important position in the game now and that is our biggest weakness. This is not a Reefer bashing thread (though I could care less if it becomes one :D ).

    We are dominant at the two wrong positions. A point guard and powerforward (Utah, Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix) can take you farther then a center and shooting guard.

    I don't think a slight upgrade over Reefer will do the trick either. We need a near all star caliber point guard. I love Steve, but even he won't cut it IMO. We can't keep running out scrub point guards against all stars and freakin MVP's.
     
    #1 R0ckets03, Dec 6, 2007
  2. TheFreak

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    Now let's compare all the starting power forwards in the NBA in '95 to Chucky Brown.
     
    #2 TheFreak, Dec 6, 2007
  3. Yaozer

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    Where are we gonna find Tony P, Chris P, or even Deron W type of talent to replace Rafer? I don't think any of the teams with a high caliber PG is willing to trade them away. The only way is either draft smart or trade our superstars. Not gonna happen though.
     
    #3 Yaozer, Dec 6, 2007
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    That was the most r****ded statement I have ever heard, if the PG and PF position is so important, how come Stockton and Malone never had any rings, the only duo with depth at both positions is the Spurs who have Parker/Duncan, Centers ALWAYS will win ships.
     
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    If Jason Kidd is ready to get out of NJ...But I dont think Houston wants to trade half their bench for him :rolleyes:

    Only other upgrades there are that could possibly be on the trading block sometime this season could be Joe Johnson and Richard Jefferson.
     
    #5 Tornadoofsoul6, Dec 6, 2007
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  7. R0ckets03

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    I have no idea where we are going to find an all star caliber point guard. I am just stating what I see.
     
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    If Yao was anywhere close to Hakeem this topic would be moot.
     
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  9. TheFreak

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    What does this statement have to do with Yao not being Hakeem?

    "A point guard and powerforward ... can take you farther then a center and shooting guard."
     
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    It really is a no contest so far as the other PG's are concerned. Rafer is up against a parade of All stars.
     
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  11. Yaozer

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    Jason Kidd sounds like such a luxury right now, but I don't think he'll ever be in a Rockets uni. I may be wrong tho, I also said that Steve won't be a Rockets either.

    Isn't Joe Johnson a max player? How can we afford him? We'll have to give up almost as much as what we'll have to give up to get Kidd. But I'd rather pursue Kidd than JJ or RJ. We don't need them, like everyone in the GARM had echoed, we need a solid PG. I'd be happy if we can get a Starks-like player for our team.
     
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  12. R0ckets03

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    Are you even able to read? You are going to tell me it's just a fluke all the other playoff teams have all star or near all star caliber starting point guards?

    Stockton and Malone never got any rings because of a guy name Michael Jordan. Also Hakeem roaming the paint in the 90's didn't help either.

    Power-forward is no where close to as important as point guard. I should have said a big buy (center or power forward) and a point guard.

    But:

    Suns - Stoudamire and Nahs
    Spurs - Duncan and Paker
    Mavs - Nowitzki and Harris
    Jazz - Boozer and Williams
     
    #12 R0ckets03, Dec 6, 2007
  13. OGKashMoney

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    Hakeem was the dominant center during our championship runs, just like Yao is the most dominant center in the NBA right now! (Please don't bring up D-Howard because I love his talent, but you have to do it for longer than 1/4 of a season to get that title. I know he will be Yao's competition, but he needs to keep it up for the rest of the season!)

    So your logical fails....
     
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    First, back in the 90's maybe the point guard position was not as important. I believe the game has evolved and it is definitely the most important position right now. At least in the regular season. Once you get to the playoffs, when the game becomes more half court you obviously need a post player.

    Chucky Brown was able to win because for those few years we had the best player in the world. Yao is no Hakeem and therefore won't be able to carry somebody like Reefer to a championship.
     
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    I don't wanna make any statement without any solution but for right now with what we already have I would love to see Steve start and get at least 28 mins every game! I have said this before and i'll say it again to get more out of Steve he needs to play more and I do believe he can be our third scorer with round 15-16ppg consistently that is if he is given a start position and more minutes.
     
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    Hakeem is an all time great and maybe the best center of all time. He routinely demolished other greats of his time.

    Yao is dominant, but no where close to the level of Hakeem. Hakeem was a better defensive player then an offensive player. This is not a knock on Hakeem, but a compliment to his greatness.

    Yao comes no where close to Hakeem on defense and even on offense is not that close.

    The point of the thread again is point guard, not big man.
     
    #16 R0ckets03, Dec 6, 2007
  17. t-mac4bigmac

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    IMO Steve could be an elite point guard in the west. I'm not joking. In comparing him to Baron Davis in the early days, those two were neck-in-neck in terms of star quality. OF COURSE, Baron definitely has the advantage now. But it looks like Steve is looking to resurrect his career. He's shown evidence of his athleticism and will power seen from his glory days. He can possibly reach that same level again.
     
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  18. R0ckets03

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    I love Steve and he is the best option we currently have. If he can put together a good stretch of 4-5 games (of course he has to get consistent minutes) then hopefully he will become the starter.
     
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    Funny thing is, I was watching the Mavericks today and thought -- wow, the Mavericks have a point guard problem too.

    Devin Harris is a freakish speedster and a nice flopper but doesn't have court vision and is a poor playmaker.

    Jason Terry is a two-guard trapped in a PG's body.

    They wish they could turn to JJ Barea, but Barea is a midget and is too inexperienced.
     
    #19 JeopardE, Dec 6, 2007
  20. Dave_78

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    Please explain to me how a dominant PF is better than a dominant Center?
     
    #20 Dave_78, Dec 6, 2007
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