PG VAn Exel (he needs about 30 shots to get a few points, if he plays more like a team player, he can be a nice guard) SG Iverson (he is a good player but he is just a scorer and nothing more, and no mvp, he needs about 30 shots for his points) SF Pippen (he is a loser wothout jordan, he is not 1 of the best 50 players ever to play the game, everybody can score and give assists when 4 opponents try to guard Jordan) PF Brian Grant ( he was a great defender and workerbut he got arrogant, and now he is just overpaid, he should have stayed with portand,there they have another 6 overpaid arrogant players) C Camby (does this guy ever play?) coach: Phil "i only coach super stars"Jackson (i didn't think of this nickname i read it here somewhere and i liked it) he just coached Jordan then you will win championships and o'neal bryant combo. you can say they never won a championship without him, but he never did without them. even i can make jordan in his prime champion, and shaq and kobe combo. phil try to coach a losing team and turn them around?? 6st man Allan Houston (just a overpaid scorer) let me hear your oppinion
sorry i forgot Snow, i just don;t like this guy. he can't even hit a open jumper. so maybe he is mre overrated than van Exel
Please don't post anything like this again. I'd have to disagree with each and every single one of your choices. -LTF
Personally, I'm tired of everyone labelling Phil Jackson as an overrated coach. He's one of the best coaches in the game today, if not one of the best in league history... Everyone says he needed Jordan, Pippen, Shaq, and Kobe to win... well, duh! Teams with great players win championships! Ever wonder why the Grizzlies are in last place? The Bulls? Right, because they don't have any great players. Rockets fans use the same excuse when bashing Rudy T..."Well, he wouldn't have won those two titles without a Hall of Fame center"... If that were the case, then every single coach that has ever won an NBA title would be overrated...Man, that Red Aeurbach is a HORRIBLE coach...He needed Russel AND Hondo to win all those titles! Here's a final stat for the Jackson bashers...Of all the teams that have won an NBA title, only <b>ONE</b> of those teams didn't have a member of the 50 greatest players in NBA history, the '79 Seattle Supersonics... and that team was coached by Lenny Wilkins, who did make the 50 greatest list...
F- Antwan Jamison (has had a subpar year) F- Antoine Walker (could you please stop jacking up those threes) C- David Robinsonv (will get eaten alive by shaq AGAIN) G- Jerry Stackhouse (shooting percentage below average) G- Damon Stoudamire (not the point guard portland was expecting) Coach- Pat Riley (has been the head man of an underachieving Heat team for the past five years)
C- Pat Ewing - I just don't like this guy at all. PF McDyess. He hasn't done anything all year. SF Odom. Only because he hasn't performed well this year. SG - Iverson. The guy shoots 39% from the field and is viewed as a martyr. Francis shoots 43% and some of y'all want to hang him. PG- Marbury
Well, I'm not going to say that Jackson is overrated, unless there's actually people out there who call him a "genius." He shouldn't be call overrated just because he's happened to have the best players in the league every year he's coached. That's just not fair. BUT, I don't think you can really call him one of the greatest coaches in the NBA either, because if you take guys like Doug Collins, Pat Riley, George Karl and put them in his place, those teams were still likely to have the same success. The coaches that I would rate the highest are those that had success with not as much talent. The coaches I would rate low are those who did not have success while having a lot of talent. Maybe if there was something about Phil Jackson that made me believe he played some big part in all the championships, then I would say he's a GREAT coach. But I just don't see it. All I see is a guy sitting like a bump on a long during the games, intermintently shouting out the word "triangle."
You can't rate a coach on what he "could do" with a certain group of players, good or bad...You can only rate a coach on what he HAS done... He took the same Bulls team that Doug Collins coached and had them in the NBA finals in two seasons. He took the same Lakers team that got trounced by the Spurs under Del Harris and trounced that same Spurs team just two seasons later en route to his second title with the Lakers Michael Jordan said that if the Bulls didn't keep Phil Jackson, he would retire...he did... Shaq has said, and I quote, "If Phil Jackson leaves, I'm leaving the NEXT DAY"...Do poor coaches get that kind of respect from two future hall of famers? Not likely... Eight rings don't lie...
Shaq has said, and I quote, "If Phil Jackson leaves, I'm leaving the NEXT DAY"...Do poor coaches get that kind of respect from two future hall of famers? Not likely... Kevin Garnett said that he would "swim to Australia" for Rudy T, or something like that, at the 2000 Games in Sydney. That doesn't seem to stop a lot of posters from criticizing Rudy.
Uh, don't even bring those up. That always really got on my nerves when Michael said that, but with Shaq its just a joke. I wouldn't take anything Shaq says too seriously. But really, what did Phil Jackson do as a coach that is so good? What aspect of the game does he teach so well? I'm not saying there isn't anything, but nothing really stuck out to me. The only thing I really know about his strategy is (dramatic pause) "the triangle," which just so happens to be the same offensive set my seventh grade basketball team used.
Don try to take anything away from Phil.. What hasnt he done to prove that he is no a good coach?.. Has anyone in NBA done better than Phil? Yes, he had superstart around him.. but name NBA teams that won championships without superstar. It doesnt matter who he has.. what matters is.. his team always win.
I don't know how you can say Van Exel needs 30 shots to be involved, he averages about 8 or 9 assist for his career. And in his first game for Dallas off the bench he had 8 points and 8 assist.
How can Stackhouse be overrated? No one around here seems to rate him at all. Most overrated SG in this league is between Iverson and Kobe "just voted better than Duncan and Garnett, yet doesn't draw double teams" Bryant.
Have to agree with DCKid on Phil Jackson. It is fairly easy to win an NBA championship when you have the greatest player to ever play in his prime like Jordan. Granted winning with the Lakers was a little bit tougher, but geez, come on...he has Shaq and Kobe, 2 of the 5 best players in the game on his team. When Phil takes over a team devoid of superstars like the Grizzlies (who offered him their coaching job before he went to the Lakers but he turned it down....wonder why?), then I'll buy this argument about how great he is. Until then, I feel that he has been one incredibly lucky b*stard in that he has been in the right places at the right time.
i agree with kidd being overrated because i just don't think he has as much to do with new jersey's success as everyone thinks. he's probably the best point in the league but he also has the benefit of a healthy lineup which marbury didn't have. that being said i'd put marbury as very overrated. i dislike scottie as much as any rockets fan. he is overrated now and maybe for the last few years, but in his prime he was easily a top 50 player and still belongs there. thats a horrible argument that anyone can score and rebound and assist when 4 players are guarding jordan. so i guess bill cartwright, bj armstrong and horace grant are all hall of famers as well? pippen was a great player, at least for the bulls.
Phil is over-rated. Don't gimmie this bull**** about every team has to have a superstar to win. The point is, the Lakers were going to win the next championship, with or without Phil. All Phil did was kick back and watch the show. During that time, Kobe, Shaq and Phil have had fights etc over who is the team leader. How is that a good coach? Jeff Van Gundy gets my vote as the best coach. I still don't know how he took the Knicks to the finals from the 8th seed without Ewing. Speaking of such, who was their superstar?
thanks cson, i forgot Marbury. i think pippen was the second player with the bulls because jordan liked him, grant is just a worker, an cartwright also, armstrong was just a very bad player. pippen is a nice player, he is a solid SF but NO ALL STAR an NO HALL OF FAMER, And definitly NO ONE OF THE 50 BEst PLAYERS EVER TO PLAY IN THE NBA
